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PostPosted: 10:25 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Yamahs SR 125 Chain has come off (quick question) Reply with quote

My chain came off my motorbike, tightened it before so know what to do, it's still on the front sprocket, is it a case of just loosening the chain enough to get it on the back sprocket then tightening it up to how it should be, thanks
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it hasn't sanpped then you didn't tighten the chain properly, it should not be possible for a chain to come off of the sprockets if it is correctly tightened.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Yamahs SR 125 Chain has come off (quick question) Reply with quote

nathandennison wrote:
My chain came off my motorbike, tightened it before so know what to do, it's still on the front sprocket, is it a case of just loosening the chain enough to get it on the back sprocket then tightening it up to how it should be, thanks


Were you riding it at the time? A chance there is some damage to the bike if it came off in motion, check the area around the front sprocket.

Otherwise, loosen the back wheel and pull if forward, loop chain around and adjust it back out. If your chain is coming off though then you either suck at basic maintenence and/or the chain and sprockets are beyond their limit and should be replaced.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
If it hasn't sanpped then you didn't tighten the chain properly, it should not be possible for a chain to come off of the sprockets if it is correctly tightened.

It was tightened from reading my Haynes manual, the chain was a bit too loose and was going to tighten it again this weekend, could it be because it was too loose?
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Yamahs SR 125 Chain has come off (quick question) Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
nathandennison wrote:
My chain came off my motorbike, tightened it before so know what to do, it's still on the front sprocket, is it a case of just loosening the chain enough to get it on the back sprocket then tightening it up to how it should be, thanks


Were you riding it at the time? A chance there is some damage to the bike if it came off in motion, check the area around the front sprocket.

Otherwise, loosen the back wheel and pull if forward, loop chain around and adjust it back out. If your chain is coming off though then you either suck at basic maintenence and/or the chain and sprockets are beyond their limit and should be replaced.


Yes I was cornering at about 10mph and heard a scraping noise, I have checked the area around the front sprocket and it looks fine
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it was either;

a, not tight enough
b, adjusted so the rear wheel is not true





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PostPosted: 13:07 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a case of just loosening the chain enough on the cam to get it around the back sprocket and then tightening it up to the desired tightness?
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathandennison wrote:
Is it a case of just loosening the chain enough on the cam to get it around the back sprocket and then tightening it up to the desired tightness?


So long as it isn't worn beyond use (may well be if it is falling off - post a photo of your sprockets if you can't tell) then yes. Make sure to adjust it properly, and ensure your rear wheel is aligned properly before you torque the rear axle nut down. Haynes manual is a good start for this kind of thing Thumbs Up .

You need to check and adjust your chain slack and clean and lube your chain much more frequently if your chain is falling off as a result of poor maintenence. losing your chain could have ended up much much worse.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its pretty much as the book explains, & as said.
There's Four reasons a chain will come off.
A) Too much slack
If so its normally 'thrown' when the wheels turning fast enough for there to be centrifugal forces on it, but when you roll off the throttle, say for a bend or something, taking teh tension off the top run, from the engine tugging it, but the wheel stlll dragging the chain round from the low side, so the tension goes from the top to the bottom.
B) Incorrect Wheel alignment.
If you have the wheel spindle pulled back further on one side than teh other, then the wheel sproket can be at a slight angle to the chain and front sproket. When this happens teh chain will 'ride' to one side or other, then it can pick up on the 'edge' rather than dropping into one of the gaps in the links, and lift off.
C) theres no teeth left on the sprokets to hold onto the chain!
Or at least the sprokets are so worn that there's not enough metal to get proper engagement on the chain, and the 'ramps' on the teeth are so shallow that teh chain can litterally ride up them, rather than bear on them and pull teh sproket round.
D) the chain is SO stretched, that the gaps between the links is bigger than the width of the sproket teeth (agrivated by worn, hence narrower sproket teeth). In this case, the chain will bear on the teeth, but on the top side, when being pulled, the chain is stretched, pulling teh links apart. When they get to the engine sproket, the teeth pick up in the gaps, but getting closer and closer to a link pin, until at some point a tooth missed a gap altogether and lifts the link pin, up and the chain straight off the sproket.
Can happen on the 'low side, o the back wheel too, but as the front sproket is smaller, and the angles more acute, and teh chain in tension, normally happens that end.

So, there you have it. all about chains and sprokets!

Check the condition of the sprokets. There should be a small area of flat 'land' on the top of each tooth. If they have worn to a point, then the sprokets shot, and needs to be replaced.

Check the condition of the chain. the side to side 'waggle' test is probably the easiest. But more accurately, google the links per inch for the guage of chain you have, and measure over the full length, the chain, off the bike, stretched out on the floor, pulled tight at either end. Renew is in doubt. Chains cheap, legs harder to replace!

Lube chain, and refit it all up, paying careful attension to the rear wheel alighnment, as well as chain tension, turning teh wheel by hand to check the chain runs smoothly and isn't snagging or catching, through misalignment.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 30 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
You need to check and adjust your chain slack and clean and lube your chain much more frequently if your chain is falling off as a result of poor maintenence. losing your chain could have ended up much much worse.


I REALLY cannot stress the importance of that comment Donny.....

I'm 40 and in constant pain, with a well fucked knee, not entirely due, but started by a STOOOOOPID low side on a dirt bike when I was 15, quarter of a century ago.....started by a bludy chain falling off....

All correctly adjusted and tensioned, but left uncleaned and unlubed after a trial for a week.... and I jumped on, rode off down the field, and a stiff link snagged in the drive sproket, locked the back wheel.... I went down, probably no more than 10mph, but overalls got grabbed by the rat trap footpeg and wrenched my knee around.

Basically, a 'daft' over sight, that has escalated over the years, BUT, on a road bike, similar over sight, could have very different out come.
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