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PostPosted: 14:09 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: passing on chevrons Reply with quote

In a hurry today and was passing a single lane of traffic on chevrons when I noticed a copper up ahead... I stopped for a second then thought feckit carried on, no chase ensued (although it wasn't a traffic car, had no lights on the top) but I was wondering where I stood on the matter of passing there...
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the line surrounding them is broken you can enter. if its solid, you cant.

simples.

edit:

just to add if traffic is moving under 12mph you can cross solid lines to pass (cant remember if your speed should be limited to that as well or not, not sure. never worried about it)
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you have to cross a solid white line to get onto the chevrons?

If not then you should be ok, but the chevrons are usually on the road as a warning.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can overtake on chevrons/white line if the traffic is stationary or at a much lower speed... as said above Laughing

Would have to be a tosser of a copper to pull you over for it.

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PostPosted: 14:54 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling you mean solid white lines.

I would say do everything safely as possible and you can get away with it, but you could get done.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
I have a feeling you mean solid white lines.

I would say do everything safely as possible and you can get away with it, but you could get done.


I overtake using these:

https://www.dreamstime.com/road-chevrons-thumb13183762.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
if the line surrounding them is broken you can enter. if its solid, you cant.

simples.

edit:

just to add if traffic is moving under 12mph you can cross solid lines to pass (cant remember if your speed should be limited to that as well or not, not sure. never worried about it)


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https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070202


Rule 129
You MUST NOT cross or straddle double white lines in normal driving. Exceptions are: if it is safe to do so and you need to enter premises adjoining the carriageway or a side road. In addition, it is permissible to cross the line as necessary and provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle. Or to overtake a horse, pedal cycle or road maintenance vehicle, only if they are not travelling at speeds greater than 16 km/h (10 mph). You can also cross double white lines when ordered to do so by a policeman in uniform.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly, so you can't overtake a queue of traffic by crossing a solid line. Of course, if you can overtake safely without crossing the line, off you go.

As for chevrons and broken lines, it isn't encouraged but it allowed. My IAM assessor did encourage me to use them if they made everyone's life easier and safer.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sebastianw wrote:
Rule 129
You MUST NOT cross or straddle double white lines in normal driving. Exceptions are: if it is safe to do so and you need to enter premises adjoining the carriageway or a side road.

I got pulled by the rozzers in Romania for doing exactly that. Turns out you can't do it there. I managed to get away with it by not speaking any Romanian and them not speaking any English. Probably would have been a big bribe if they'd managed to convey what they were cross about.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

People are confusing double white lines with a solid bordered chevron area. There's a difference people! read thread again thoroughly Wink

Double white lines - can't cross them under normal circumstances basically (as the rule 129 says)

Chevrons bordered by a broken white line - You CAN cross

Chevrons bordered by a solid white line - as far as I know you can't cross it BUT don't quote me on that. I can't be arsed to look through the HC for it though, i'll leave that to someone more bored than myself
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't cross a solid white line, regardless of what's on the other side - chevrons or otherwise. The only reason "double" white lines are double is because they apply to traffic in both directions. If it's a solid line on your side and a broken line on the other side you still can't cross it.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
You can't cross a solid white line, regardless of what's on the other side - chevrons or otherwise. The only reason "double" white lines are double is because they apply to traffic in both directions. If it's a solid line on your side and a broken line on the other side you still can't cross it.


Thinking about it... yes. This. Good man, touché.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also remember chevron area usually = ALL the stuff you don't want to run over.....
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I travel up a duel carriage way with two white lines with white lines within them in little boxes (dunno what you call them) but I overtake on these,in fact drivers pull over so I can do so because they know I can travel more freely.you can see them on google street view wellingborough,noirt way.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Also remember chevron area usually = ALL the stuff you don't want to run over.....


I ride on it all the time. Not had a puncture yet.

What's an interesting one, is when you enter the chevron area crossing over a broken white line, and while you're riding on the chevron area, the line turns solid.

Can I then not cross it to get back over on to the carriageway? Will I have to back track to the broken line and re-enter the flow of traffic? Wink
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only things you need to be careful of is loose gravel so long as you keep the bike steady and not accelerate to much or you could lose traction.I know people will say otherwise but so long as you are safe I cannot see no harm in it,as long as you cut no one up or pass a lorry (as you cannot see past it another one might be coming the other way too) i find it ok.As I said most drivers pull over when I come up behing them but still stay a safe distance so I am not up their ass but they still pull over for me.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
MinhDinh wrote:
I have a feeling you mean solid white lines.

I would say do everything safely as possible and you can get away with it, but you could get done.


I overtake using these:

https://www.dreamstime.com/road-chevrons-thumb13183762.jpg


same here!!
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overtook a copper in a marked up shogun today, I had to cross a solid whit line. No problems as the traffic was very slow. they didnt notice my numberplate either! haha
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
If it's a solid line on your side and a broken line on the other side you still can't cross it.


No the reason for broken or solid lines, is that going in one direction it may be safe to overtake due to clear visibility, going in the other direction vision of the road may be obscured.

The line that applies to you, is the line on your side of the road. Obviously if it's double white lines, neither direction can overtake.

If you were right, they wouldnt need to bother with two lines, it would either be one solid line or one broken line.

Arguably with motorbikes that can accelerate fast, the wisdom of the line makers is slightly out, as cars dont overtake so well. The lines will have been done with cars in mind.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
angryjonny wrote:
If it's a solid line on your side and a broken line on the other side you still can't cross it.


No the reason for broken or solid lines, is that going in one direction it may be safe to overtake due to clear visibility, going in the other direction vision of the road may be obscured.

The line that applies to you, is the line on your side of the road. Obviously if it's double white lines, neither direction can overtake.

If you were right, they wouldnt need to bother with two lines, it would either be one solid line or one broken line.

Arguably with motorbikes that can accelerate fast, the wisdom of the line makers is slightly out, as cars dont overtake so well. The lines will have been done with cars in mind.


Indeed.. so:
angryjonny wrote:
If it's a solid line on your side and a broken line on the other side you still can't cross it.
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PostPosted: 04:33 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah looks like we agree and I need to learn to read Smile
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pic above is what i got 3points for riding on, but mine had red paint in it.

angryjonny wrote:
If it's a solid line on your side and a broken line on the other side you still can't cross it.
[/quote]You can cross solid white line if the 'dots' are on the other lane, i did it on my test and wasnt failed, the rule of thumb seems to be its ok if nothing is coming that would be inconvenienced.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
You can cross solid white line if the 'dots' are on the other lane, i did it on my test and wasnt failed, the rule of thumb seems to be its ok if nothing is coming that would be inconvenienced.


You can, as there's nothing physically stopping you, but you're not allowed to (other than the exceptions previously mentioned).
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

With chevrons, you must not ride on dotted-line chevrons unless you have to. Leaves a bit open to interpretation but you could argue that you HAD to ride on them to pass stationary traffic.

For chevrons with solid lines, you may only ride on them in an emergency, so simple overtaking wouldn't apply.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in the middle of Manchester and I do this all the time because all bikers here do it. The police generally seem to be very tolerant of things like this, including pulling past traffic to the front and into the green cyclist box. I love doing that on my bike.
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