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 Posted: 12:36 - 07 Apr 2011  Post subject: NOT MY BIKE : WHAT WOULD YOU DO? |
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hi all,
bit of a strange one this, so bear with me.
last year i was in the front garden servicing a mates bike. (i do a few guys bikes & theres always at least 1 of my own bikes out there as well & im quite well known round this way)
im on a main road, so loads of people pass by, most going into the housing estate just down the road (bit of a bad area)
anyway, some stranger ambles by & starts a conversation about bikes in general.
over the space of a few months he passes a couple of times, each time stopping for a blether..... & a beer (he always has a few cans with him).
anyway, it turns out he has a bike (i wont name the type) its 8yrs old but has been off road for 7 of these!
he says he went halves with a mate but they hardly used the thing. he says they fell out some time ago & around this time they were going to re-spray it, some mental colour scheme!.
so he ends up with the bike, in bits & stores it in his shed.
where it stays for 7 years.
fast forward to last year (keeping up? lol) & he asks if i would be interested in putting it back on the road for him.
no problem i says, you pay for parts & paint (even bit by bit) & i'll do the work, on the understanding that he will bung me a few quid & i can use the bike on the road.
he doesnt have a licence. bike is suitable for road/trail use.
bike then gets dumped at mine (out of a van) in bits, plastics in primer.(& covered in cobwebs,dead spiders etc)
Bike looks to be in good condition at 1st glance, VERY low milage, never been MOT'D, but registered (dont know in whose name though????) so no V5. keys are there, but it wont start.
i have a quick look over it & at 1st glance looks like it wont be needing anything major......
guys unemployed but just starting a new job & agrees to visit regularly with parts/cash..
i strip down the bike a bit further & write down a list of what it needs.
service, ie. new brake pads front & back, oil & filter,brake fluid.
also needs a new ignition amplifier (i got it started by hot wiring it), electrics need a bit of work,back tyre is more or less brand new but is wrong size & i reckon it will fail MOT, unless i replace it. (it has been rubbing on chain)
then body work will need full re-spray, from start to finish.
so all in a fair bit of work, money & time.
i started working on it but the guy disapears & i never see any money or parts, so i give up on it.
fast forward to now, what do i do with it?
do a HPI check? (anyone know the number for the text check thing?) it could be dodgy (quite likely?)
apply for V5, in my name, & spend the money on the parts etc, do the work & keep it? (will probably need around £250 spent on it, bikes value when finished? around £1200)
or leave as it is & wait (forever?) on the guy coming back?
bearing in mind the bikes in a worse state than when he dropped it off.
as in brake calipers stripped (waiting on seals & pads) panels rubbed down. etc etc
reason for asking now? just saw someone walk down my path (as if leaving my house) & it looked vaguely like the guy! (from what i remember, as i only met him a handful of times, dont know where he lives & dont even know his surname!)
i never heard the door bell but i ran down stairs & went out, but he'd disappeared! (again)
what if he comes back?
where do i stand?
im not a c*nt & would be quite happy to give the guy his bike (in bits,lol) back, but bear in mind i spent ages fault finding,looking up part numbers, getting advice from owners of same bike etc.
advice please/ legalities of situation? (missus reckons he owes me for time spent working on it & he should be paying me for storage charges!!!! shes in a mood,lol)
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I'd bang it all back together, as it is, and flog it.
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hi,
tbh, bikes too good to break, & probably wouldnt get much for it as is, but its well specced & quite highly thought of in some circles. its only done something like 1000miles.(pretty sure its actually less)
its all in good order, except the electrics, which just needs a tidy up & ignition amplifier & maybe a new ignition switch. (but i wont know till i replace the black box)
mainly needs a good service.
texted the reg to that no. (thanks dragstaar) & came back no dvla or police record, so im presuming its not knicked or written off.
tbh, i havnt spent much money on it, just a bit of time, but i was gonna finish re-spraying the plastics soon anyway (already done half), as im doing another bike & need to get filler/primer & thinners anyway (already have bought the base coat & clear coat/hardner)
so i might send off for the V5, though i know this makes no difference to ownership.
think i'll make up a list of what i've done (in case he does come back) with estimations of how much time i put into it.
& if he wants the bike back, as it is, then he can pay me for work done.
sounds fair, right?
tbh, quite fancy finishing it & keeping it, ie. not selling it, would make for a good weekend toy........
i must be too soft, as i thought i'd come across as a c*nt if i did finish it & keep it, lol
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I'd contact the local Neighbourhood Policing team, explain the situation, and ask if they can to contact the registered keeper on your behalf.
Better to bung the guy a token amount than to have him get boozed up one night and decide that you've nicked his bike, right?
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| Rogerborg wrote: | I'd contact the local Neighbourhood Policing team, explain the situation, and ask if they can to contact the registered keeper on your behalf.
Better to bung the guy a token amount than to have him get boozed up one night and decide that you've nicked his bike, right? |
Ditto: Report as an 'Abandoned Vehicle'.
Police will make inquiries to trace registered keeper / legal owner.
You are legally entitled to hold property to value of any 'amount in dispute'.... so if some one left a brand new Bentley with you for an oil change worth £100, you couldn't hold on to the car against thier will, but possibly remove the sterio.....
So Get a valuation on the 'Scrap', and estimate the work it owes you.
Tell the police the figures, and that you intend, if the bike not claimed within a 'reasonable period' to assume ownership, against the work you have done on behalf of bloke that left it with you.
Should be pretty water tight IF it ever got taken to a claims court.
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its not listed as stolen on any of the text checks/HPI.
I paid for a more comprehensive check, not stolen, no outstanding finance, not written off.
so no need to report as "abandoned vehicle" or to get rid.
Im applying for V5 today (its actually been posted), & if the guy wants it back, (i dunno if dvla contact the previous registered keeper?) he can pay me for the i time spent on it.
2 pack painting & clearcoating, oil & filter, stripping down both brembos, new rear tyre, electrical fault finding etc.... good few hours work right there.... im not losing money on it, i've decided.
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The whole situation seems weird to me. The fact tgat you take in bikes so freely is weird for me. Contact your police IMO, it may be stolen or the guy may have got sent to prison or something. Don't touch it until you know it is yours and have sone paper work.
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| stirlinggaz wrote: |
Im applying for V5 today (its actually been posted), & if the guy wants it back, (i dunno if dvla contact the previous registered keeper?) |
Yes, they do. And the V5C is not - as it says in FONT OF GOD letters - proof of ownership.
I'd still suggest that you contact Plod, in case Bloke takes offence and either moans to them himself or comes round late one night with a can of petrol, and not to put in the tank.
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| stirlinggaz wrote: | its not listed as stolen on any of the text checks/HPI.
I paid for a more comprehensive check, not stolen, no outstanding finance, not written off.
so no need to report as "abandoned vehicle" or to get rid.
Im applying for V5 today (its actually been posted), & if the guy wants it back, (i dunno if dvla contact the previous registered keeper?) he can pay me for the i time spent on it.
2 pack painting & clearcoating, oil & filter, stripping down both brembos, new rear tyre, electrical fault finding etc.... good few hours work right there.... im not losing money on it, i've decided.
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so you had really already decided what you wanted to do, you didn';t actually want our advice, answering the question you ASKED, you merely wanted us to endorse your intended plan and tell you it was a great idea....
sorry no.
LKegally you have to make ALL REASONABLE EFFOR to contact LEGAL OWNER.
Reporting the vehicle abandoned is a means to do that.
HPI check isn't.
I have a bike in a mates garage, been there at least three years, I needed it out of sight while going through divorce, and at the moment, no were better to keep it, or way to use it.
You could have MY bike..... its not reported stolen, as far as I'm concerned its in my mates garage.
He could have had it stolen and not noticed it missing from under the tarp at the back, or he could have thought he was doing me a 'favour' getting you to fix it up for me........
There are hundreds of reasons WHY the bloke that put the bike in your care isn't the legal owner, and why the legal owner might not be at the MOMENT interested in the bike......
If you do NOT make 'every possible effort' to contact the legal owner, then they can, quite legitimately come and reclaim that motorcycle from you, and no matter what work you claim to have done, or what you claim is 'owed' you by non payement by the pisshead.... if the LEGAL OWNEr is some one else, and they didn't contract you to do the work, then they have no contract with you and no obligation to pay you, and you have no right to hold or sieze thier bike, for money they dont owe you, let alon ride it or use it as if your own.
For the sake of walking into a police station and making a report, you are leaving yourself open to charges of theft, as well as the possible 'loss' of any work or parts you put into fixing the bike up...
But hey, you didn't ACTUALLY want sound advice did you..... you just wanted to be told you were 'right', and maybe get a bit of applause for being a 'jammy git'....
Fine....
Hey, that's REALLY jammy, you git! a bike for nowt!
Good show, Great if you can get away with it!
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| MinhDinh wrote: | The whole situation seems weird to me. The fact tgat you take in bikes so freely is weird for me. Contact your police IMO, it may be stolen or the guy may have got sent to prison or something. Don't touch it until you know it is yours and have sone paper work. |
it does sound weird....... but im known round here for fixing bikes, nothing too complicated, just servicing the young lads' bikes, & do a fair bit of work on bikes that i know quite well, like rs's, etc. (its something i enjoy doing in my free time)
this was a one off, i didnt know the guy but he seemed genuine enough, hung around a few times as i fixed a couple of bikes & he said he fancied getting the bike back together for hooning around" as he lives out in the sticks.
but he wasnt capable of doing the work, "his mate" was the technical one.
the guy may well be in prison.....had thought of that. which is why i waited so long,
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i was quite dubiouds about it, which is why i didnyt go out & buy all the parts it needs.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | stirlinggaz wrote: | its not listed as stolen on any of the text checks/HPI.
I paid for a more comprehensive check, not stolen, no outstanding finance, not written off.
so no need to report as "abandoned vehicle" or to get rid.
Im applying for V5 today (its actually been posted), & if the guy wants it back, (i dunno if dvla contact the previous registered keeper?) he can pay me for the i time spent on it.
2 pack painting & clearcoating, oil & filter, stripping down both brembos, new rear tyre, electrical fault finding etc.... good few hours work right there.... im not losing money on it, i've decided.
cheers,
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so you had really already decided what you wanted to do, you didn';t actually want our advice, answering the question you ASKED, you merely wanted us to endorse your intended plan and tell you it was a great idea....
sorry no.
LKegally you have to make ALL REASONABLE EFFOR to contact LEGAL OWNER.
Reporting the vehicle abandoned is a means to do that.
HPI check isn't.
I have a bike in a mates garage, been there at least three years, I needed it out of sight while going through divorce, and at the moment, no were better to keep it, or way to use it.
You could have MY bike..... its not reported stolen, as far as I'm concerned its in my mates garage.
He could have had it stolen and not noticed it missing from under the tarp at the back, or he could have thought he was doing me a 'favour' getting you to fix it up for me........
There are hundreds of reasons WHY the bloke that put the bike in your care isn't the legal owner, and why the legal owner might not be at the MOMENT interested in the bike......
If you do NOT make 'every possible effort' to contact the legal owner, then they can, quite legitimately come and reclaim that motorcycle from you, and no matter what work you claim to have done, or what you claim is 'owed' you by non payement by the pisshead.... if the LEGAL OWNEr is some one else, and they didn't contract you to do the work, then they have no contract with you and no obligation to pay you, and you have no right to hold or sieze thier bike, for money they dont owe you, let alon ride it or use it as if your own.
For the sake of walking into a police station and making a report, you are leaving yourself open to charges of theft, as well as the possible 'loss' of any work or parts you put into fixing the bike up...
But hey, you didn't ACTUALLY want sound advice did you..... you just wanted to be told you were 'right', and maybe get a bit of applause for being a 'jammy git'....
Fine....
Hey, that's REALLY jammy, you git! a bike for nowt!
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Hi,
this response i take offence too.... & made me quite angry tbh....
i HADNT decided to what to do with it, i was quite happy for it to sit where it is, (under a cover in back garden) but it has to be moved, so i can lay some slabs which i've been promising my mother since last year.
this is why i asked, then used the text check no. given earlier & then did a more thorough check, i then went out the front door, walked 300 yards & posted off the V5 form after reading the first few replies on here.
isnt that "reasonable effort"?
my reasoning is, pay the money for a new log book & dvla will contact last registered keeper.
then all reasonable steps have been taken to contact last "registered keeper"
i would then give it a "reasonable time" before finishing the work & claiming the bike as mine.
i could have not asked in here & just went ahead & done the bike up, kept it or flogged it & no-one would be any the wiser, but i chose to come on a public forum & guage opinion, as it seems a bit underhand to me.
why would i report the bike as abandoned? i dont want the bike removing? & its not on public land. (which is what i was told earlier by local council, who deal with such things up here)
would a bike shop do this, if a customer never came back for his bike when he realised it would cost more than he could afford to pay?
i had a few v5 duplicate forms here (i've lost a couple recently - i have a few frames/projects)
as far as im concerned, isnt contacting DVLA making all reasonable steps?
i may pop into the local police station, but i know what response i'll get. "its not listed as stolen, were not interested"
i have never stolen anything in my life, so labelling me as a thief is silly.
i dont claim to be a "jammy git", as you call it,quite frankly i dont fancy spending £2-300 on a bike that i dont really want.
i've already made steps to contact the "registered keeper" (not the owner btw) only person who can claim "ownership" is whoever can show me proof of ownership......good luck to whoever on that one.
if someone does this, then they can take away the pile of.... i mean bike.
quite how they would get at it, is another thing,lol
the police CERTAINLY wont get involved (i already know this) im actually happy to give the bike to its rightful OWNER, but i dont know who this is, police wont tell me ( just foned local part time cop shop to make sure) & they have told me to contact the person who gave me the bike!
but i dont know his name or address!!!!! & last mobile number is no longer connected!
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| stirlinggaz wrote: | as far as im concerned, isnt contacting DVLA making all reasonable steps? |
No, because the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner. You already know that there's some "history" around ownership of this bike.
| stirlinggaz wrote: | i may pop into the local police station, but i know what response i'll get. "its not listed as stolen, were not interested" |
If they're not interested, then you've taken all reasonable steps. Job done, enjoy your bike.
In any dispute over ownership, it's best to get your retaliation in pre-emptively. We're telling you this because we don't want you to get shafted after you've put the work in.
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OK,
bit of an update, just back from local police station.
they advised me to apply to DVLA for V5.
they did take a note of my name address etc but said it was a civil matter, because its not listed as stolen, & has no outstanding finance owing etc, so if the guy does turn up, i should come to some sort of arrangement.....(financially)
we dont have a local neighborhood watch thingy (not popular up here)
when i mentioned to the very nice wpc about the owner not neccessarily being the registered keeper, she shrugged & said theres not much i can do about tracing someone i dont know,lol
but did say they guy who gave me the bike, might not have been the v5 holder, so i should wait on a response.
so i just have to wait on new V5, in case the dvla contacting previous keeper opens up a can of worms......
it looks like its staying under cover for a while longer......
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