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PostPosted: 13:25 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: SORN for a chopped up bike? Reply with quote

Wrecked my TZR a couple years back and have finally gotten around to stripping it. Frame was all bent and split so that's gone in the bin, engine has been sold to someone else to fit, various other bits are in a wicker basket in my garage. Just got a letter through reminding me to either tax it or SORN it. Not sure what to do? It has been SORNed for the last two years, but I don't want to have to SORN it every April for the rest of my life...
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Afraid you will have to now. Only way to avoid it is to dispose of it through a registered recycler who can return the log book to the DVLA to say it has been destroyed. But most would probably want the frame to prove that it has been done.

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you not just tick the scrapped section of the logbook and send that back to the DVLA?
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
Can you not just tick the scrapped section of the logbook and send that back to the DVLA?


Nope, they will no longer accept that as of fairly recently. And that is one reason why all the log books are changing again.

Yet another DVLA triumph of bureaucracy over common sense.

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick a name and address at random from the phone book and that person could become the new registered keeper for the bike. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You left it outside, didn't you, and the rag & bone men took it?
Go to cop shop, report it 'Stolen'.... but you do not wish to press charges........ ask them what you should do with the log book..... send crime no to DVLA with explanatory letter.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

what ste said Thumbs Up
after all you dont ask for id when a buyer fills out the logbook you have forfilled your part,dont send it to an address in your town
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't he just chop off the headstock with the VIN on it and post that to a scrap yard to declare as recycled/scrapped?

EDIT: NM, whole frame is binned. Lol, I'd do what tef said, report the frame nicked and leave them to it.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write to them, tell them what you've just told us, and say if they think you owe them money then you'll be delighted to see them in court.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
You left it outside, didn't you, and the rag & bone men took it?
Go to cop shop, report it 'Stolen'.... but you do not wish to press charges........ ask them what you should do with the log book..... send crime no to DVLA with explanatory letter.


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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 07 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Only way to avoid it is to dispose of it through a registered recycler who can return the log book to the DVLA to say it has been destroyed..


Maybe I should have said "only legitimate way" Laughing .

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PostPosted: 10:27 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Livefast123 wrote:
Can you not just tick the scrapped section of the logbook and send that back to the DVLA?


Nope, they will no longer accept that as of fairly recently. And that is one reason why all the log books are changing again.

Yet another DVLA triumph of bureaucracy over common sense.


I believe that's only true for cars and not motorcycles at present (although I can't find the relevant link on the DVLA site). So although you can't tick the scrapped box because they have removed it, you should be able to write them a letter saying it has been scrapped and they should accept it.

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I looked it up - it's to do with the ELV (End of Life Vehicle) Regulations 2003 and it doesn't apply to motorcycles.


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PostPosted: 10:33 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't you exported it on a permanent basis? A little artistic licence on the V756 form and you're done. DVLA will no longer have any interest in said vehicle.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poseidon wrote:
Haven't you exported it on a permanent basis? A little artistic licence on the V756 form and you're done. DVLA will no longer have any interest in said vehicle.


Or just fill out the yellow section on the V5C?
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davo wrote:
Or just fill out the yellow section on the V5C?


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PostPosted: 10:54 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do what Tef suggested "I left my frame on my driveway overnight like a silly sausage and some little darlings have half-inched it. It was worth nothing, but can I have a crime reference number so I can let the DVLA know it's dissapeared"
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

njd27 wrote:
I believe that's only true for cars and not motorcycles at present (although I can't find the relevant link on the DVLA site). So although you can't tick the scrapped box because they have removed it, you should be able to write them a letter saying it has been scrapped and they should accept it.

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I looked it up - it's to do with the ELV (End of Life Vehicle) Regulations 2003 and it doesn't apply to motorcycles.


If true (and not saying it isn't, but found nothing to say either way) then that is interesting.

The DVLA web site suggests they need to go through an ATF though (although it wouldn't be surprising if they were overstating things)

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022057

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PostPosted: 13:34 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To whom it may concern
I write in reference to Vehicle X Registration number Y which I am the registered keeper
Mr So and So
At Some address
In this town
With a Postcode

I write to inform you that, I am no longer responsible for this vehicle as it has been sold in parts and the frame destroyed in an accident, I hereby surrender all documents relevant to the bike in question, and returning the V5c registration certificate. The bike frame along with its chassis number is no longer in possession and was taken as scrap.

As of Date XYZ I am no longer responsible for it, and wish to inform you of the vehicles current state of being scrapped, and I have filled the V5c out accordingly to show the vehicle has been scrapped.

Yours Sincerely
Quickly



I have done that on several cars, so far never had an issue with them, they just send you out a letter saying thank you for informing them you are no longer the registered keeper.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:

I have done that on several cars, so far never had an issue with them, they just send you out a letter saying thank you for informing them you are no longer the registered keeper.


When, as the rules have recently changed and plenty of people have had their V5 returned by the DVLA for cars when they have marked them as scrapped.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:32 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Pick a name and address at random from the phone book and that person could become the new registered keeper for the bike. Wink



Above, or sell the log book/reg/vin number on ebay there are people about willing to buy a identity. I,ve just done this for a CRM250.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatters wrote:
Ste wrote:
Pick a name and address at random from the phone book and that person could become the new registered keeper for the bike. Wink



Above, or sell the log book/reg/vin number on ebay there are people about willing to buy a identity. I,ve just done this for a CRM250.


Isn't that more illegal than just ignoring the sorn?
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 08 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
pits wrote:

I have done that on several cars, so far never had an issue with them, they just send you out a letter saying thank you for informing them you are no longer the registered keeper.


When, as the rules have recently changed and plenty of people have had their V5 returned by the DVLA for cars when they have marked them as scrapped.

All the best

Keith

Just done it fairly recently with a car going abroad, didn't send V5 off to them, just a cover note saying I am no longer responsible for it.

Alternatively you could just modify what I have typed out, but you sold it to someone, make up an address with a random postcode, and you have not heard any confirmation of the DVLA that the bike is no longer registered to you
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 09 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not up to speed on the ELV regs so if someone could point me at a copy it would be most helpful.

I would be syrprised if there was anything in them to stop a private person scrapping a vehicle themselves as opposed to using an authorised treatment facility as the regs as I understand them are aimed at industry.

DVLA are, lets face it known for miss-understanding the law in their own favour.
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