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Clanger
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Thames Valley Police Reply with quote

Following on from my warning about giving out personal information online (I used Rivermead crew as an example), I thought I should also share information with you about a warning the Thames Valley Police have put out to motorbikers in the area....they are out 'to get us'.

Now there will be some people on this forum who will decide this is me scare mongering, there will be some who decide this is just a big wind-up but hopefully there will be some of you that do heed this as a genuine warning!

Two friends recently got 'pulled' by the old bill in Reading. They went over one of the two bikes with a fine tooth comb, and nicked him for several things including smaller than standard numberplate, and he was told he could not ride his bike home because it was 'classified' as dangerous.....he was told that if he rode into a bus stop queue full of people his after market headlamp fairing could cause a lot of damage!!!! Yes really, and told the pair to warn their 'biker' friends that the TVP are out to get all bikers in their catchment area, that it was the big clampdown.

Most of the bike clubs in the area are aware of this already, as we brought the matter up at the Thames Valley Coalition meeting after the incident.

Hopefully the rest of you will be a little more vigilant too - especially when stunting on land that is not private! Be careful. Its bad enough that we gain the reputation of the bad bikers & statistics, let alone being targetted.
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well as i live many miles away in a different country i can easily say Middle Finger The thames valley police Middle Finger

But most cops are alright over here they got bigger fish to fry Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand what the warning is?

No illegal farings or licence plates then? This has been the case for years......

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especially when stunting on land that is not private!


Stunting? Are they after people doing wheelies then?

Not sure what the circumstances of your two friends, but I am not convinced by what you have said that there is any changes in the TVP area.

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PostPosted: 09:24 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

TVP will only target riders who deserve a pull. For those who choose to ride sensibly, whose bikes are legal then things will be no different than before, not really any different to normal.

I regularly speak to my old colleagues at Three Mile Cross (Reading) and it will be business as usual. Play by the rules and you will get left alone, act the twat and you will get pulled, fair enough in my book!
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the problem with aftermarket fairings then?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So tell me, what is the fasination with Rivermead as I live quite far away and I am interested. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
So tell me, what is the fasination with Rivermead as I live quite far away and I am interested. Smile


Some of us go there occasionally and 'twat about'. The amount of fuss it's generating you'd think we went and sacrificed babies.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing I wouldn't say that you know, you will get some unsuspecting user that will report you for saying that. Wink

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PostPosted: 11:06 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but Rolling Eyes

We go to a diserted trading estate on a sunday, because we think that is the safest time/place for use to do stunts. Yes the police could come down and probably find things we could be done for, but imho as we are trying to be relatively sensible and safe about what we are doing this is not something worth living in fear of.

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PostPosted: 13:34 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: Thames Valley Police Reply with quote

TC;
If you don't mind me asking, are you suggesting that they are having a crackdown as such, just on bikes that they don't like the look of (ie more likely to pull a bike they don't like the look of than before). Or that there are no special instructions at all.

Not really a prob for me, haven't got the side fairings on me rs, but otherwise all is cool. Suspect some others around here have bikes that look 'tatty', but aren't dangerous as such.

Clanger wrote:

Now there will be some people on this forum who will decide this is me scare mongering, there will be some who decide this is just a big wind-up but hopefully there will be some of you that do heed this as a genuine warning!


It depends if you suggest that the police are likely to stop us because a new member got 'flamed' on an internet forum Smile.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: Thames Valley Police Reply with quote

fighty_g wrote:
TC;
If you don't mind me asking, are you suggesting that they are having a crackdown as such, just on bikes that they don't like the look of (ie more likely to pull a bike they don't like the look of than before).


That is about the size of it.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there was some truth to the warning after all then.

Shifty

Btw - what areas do Thames Valley police?
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Thames Valley. Razz
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
The Thames Valley. Razz


Hardy Fucking Har Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 16:14 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Btw - what areas do Thames Valley police?


erm... the Thames Valley?! Wink

But seriously, it's Berkshire / Hampshire kind of area.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

D'oh! Brick Wall Bendy beat me to it!
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thames Valley Police area. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

like they have nothing better to do....

this is beginning to annoy me, it has been beginning to annoy me for months, there is plenty more beneficial things that the police could be spending their time doing, and i'd like to hear an argument against this from one of them

what exactly is the danger they think we are causing? is there to be no freedom left?

and just a little extra note, if they are clamping down on dubious looking fairings, then why arent they clamping down on shite bodykits with a neon glow?

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PostPosted: 16:51 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

and some further thoughts, if this country genuinely wants to get bikes off our roads, then can it please stop encouraging them to be used through congestion charging schemes and all this shit

they encourage more sales of bikes, and then they spend all their time and resources, pulling them over, and issuing people points for the wrong shaped mirrors, its ridiculous

if you want to get bikes off the road, can someone just come out and bloody say it, so i can stop wasting time with MOT, insurance, and road legalities, and get back to enjoying my bike for what it is, and riding illegaly

thank you Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are stopped and the coppers start sniffing about your bike.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.

especially:

Schedlule 2

of Section 67 of the Road Traffic Act 1988

Basically this says, if the bike is not obviously dangerous (to the point where it should be off the road eg. tyres down to canvas) or has not just been involved in an accident then YOU tell THEM when and where you will allow them to inspect your vehicle 2 to seven days after they stopped you.

That right T.C.?
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:


Basically this says, if the bike is not obviously dangerous (to the point where it should be off the road eg. tyres down to canvas) or has not just been involved in an accident then YOU tell THEM when and where you will allow them to inspect your vehicle 2 to seven days after they stopped you.

That right T.C.?


Pretty much the case, but, there are also cases where the vehicle can be impounded for further examination which has no relation to the defered test, but this tends to be only used in extreme cases.

Most examinations will be conducted at the road side, and all traffic officers are authorised section 68 vehicle examiners, and they can go beyond the normal checks that a beat bobby can do, so it very rarely needs them to do a detailed strip it apart type examination except after a serious or fatal RTA, and very few people are aware of the defered test anyway.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(4) The following persons may act as authorised examiners for the purposes of this section—
(a) a certifying officer or public service vehicle examiner appointed under the [1981 c. 14.] Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981,
(b) a person appointed as an examiner under section 68(1) of this Act,
(c) a person appointed to examine and inspect public carriages for the purposes of the [1869 c. 115.] Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869,
(d) a person appointed to act for the purposes of this section by the Secretary of State,
(e) a constable authorised so to act by or under instructions of the chief officer of police, and
(f) a person appointed by the police authority for a police area to act, under the directions of the chief officer of police, for the purposes of this section.
(5) A person mentioned in subsection (4)(a) to (d) and (f) must produce his authority to act for the purposes of this section if required to do so.

(6) On the examiner proceeding to test a vehicle under this section, the driver may, unless the test is required under subsection (7) or (8) below to be carried out forthwith, elect that the test shall be deferred to a time, and carried out at a place, fixed in accordance with Schedule 2 to this Act, and the provisions of that Schedule shall apply accordingly.

(7) Where it appears to a constable that, by reason of an accident having occurred owing to the presence of the vehicle on a road, it is requisite that a test should be carried out forthwith, he may require it to be so carried out and, if he is not to carry it out himself, may require that the vehicle shall not be taken away until the test has been carried out.

(8) Where in the opinion of a constable the vehicle is apparently so defective that it ought not to be allowed to proceed without a test being carried out, he may require the test to be carried out forthwith.


So, it says (as stinky says) unless you have been in an accident or the vehicle is obviously defective you can tell them when/where to test it.

It also appears that a PC is only allowed to request a test if authorised so to act by or under instructions of the chief officer of police. According to section 5, if they can't show that they have been ordered to request the vehicle test then they can't do it.

Interesting stuff.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thames Valley Police,like most other forces,find it very easy to pick on minority groups like bikers as they can find something on most bikes to nick/fine us for. Then claim it's in the public interest of safety and cutting road casualties...bastards
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 17 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:


It also appears that a PC is only allowed to request a test if authorised so to act by or under instructions of the chief officer of police. According to section 5, if they can't show that they have been ordered to request the vehicle test then they can't do it.

Interesting stuff.


All Traffic Officers are section 68 Examiners which means that they have been designated by the Chief Officer (Chief Constable) as his representative to carry out such examinations, or in the case of the full time examiners a civillian who can also be appointed under the designated authority.

Beat Coppers are allowed to test the basics such as lights, indicators, wipers, horn and tyres but they cannot inspect for brake defects or carry out more in depth examinations.

At the end of the day, if a defered test is not asked for but the driver/rider refuses, then they will normally get arrested for wilfull obstruction of an officer in the execution of his duty, simple as that!
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PostPosted: 03:33 - 19 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i live in high wycombe, and got pulled for speeding (doing 45 in a 30 zone) a week or two ago, and not having L plates, but they still let me go....crackdown my arse, they were probably just two wanker coppers up for hassling somebody. most coppers are alright, they just told me not to do it again, and i put L plates back on the next day. they dealt with me more than fairly....i was in the wrong, your mates probably were too to get pulled in the first place, i was just lucky to meet a couple of proper safe coppers. i was also really nice to them Rolling Eyes
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