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NSR125-Kid-UK
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PostPosted: 03:13 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should probably state that I hate the idea of a nimbler faster more agile and more powerful machine being used for something as low as commuting. Rolling Eyes .
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR125-Kid-UK wrote:
I should probably state that I hate the idea of a nimbler faster more agile and more powerful machine being used for something as low as commuting. Rolling Eyes .


Why?

I leave cars at the lights, I filter through traffic to get to the head of the queue, and I zip past them on the motorway.

You get to work with a smile on your face, and you can do what you like on the way home, going miles out the way if you want to.

I used to get the train to work, then come home for a blast on the bike. Now I don't have to, cos I can do my blasting on the way home.

Cars don't make much sense for commuting, but bikes are ideal.

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PostPosted: 08:38 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually worked out that it would have cost me the same roughly when all costs where included to have a car as it did a bike.

An althoguh the fun factor from bikes and traveling time are much better, other costs where higher.

Unless i got a very practical such as a smaller engined 4 stroke.

Its just the costs where very different in ways.

Such as i could spend £1000 on a bike, then £300 on insurence.

Or i could get a car thats £300 and then pay insurence of £1000 other costs are pretty negligable.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine work out roughly the same too.

The bike cost more than the car to buy in the first place. Fair enough, the bike's a lot newer.

The car costs twice what the bike does to insure. But that's cos I've got NCB on the bike and none on the car.

Tax on the car is roughly 3 times what it is on the bike.

Parking at home and at work is free for both bike and car.

I've spent about £500 on each this year so far - bike was a big service and some oil, car was a new clutch, shocks, front tyre and a towbar.

The car does around 450 miles to £37 of diesel. The bike does 130 miles to £10 unleaded. So mileage per £1 is about the same.

So, on paper, they cost me about the same. Until you look at distance travelled...

I use the car almost every day, piling mileage on it with the daily schlepp to work. I've done about 10,000 on it since I bought it in February. I use the bike when I feel like it, I've put under 2,000 on it since February.

The bike is more fun than the car. Usually. The ability to do trackdays scores a triple £ score on the fun rating.

In summary... mine cost me about the same. I do more miles in the car and don't care about racking them up, I'll drive it into the ground eventually. The bike's more fun and I don't begrudge its expensive tastes cos it makes me smile.

The car is a tool and the bike is a toy. I'm old enough that neither break the bank on insurance and thus I can have both. Razz
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mchaggis
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've seen, getting started riding/ driving is initially easier on a bike. CBT £100, insurance £300 (for me anyway), bike £1000, equipment £200-300. £16-1700.

Car, £400-500 lessons and test, car £1000, insurance £1000. £2500.

The car figures are only guesstimates, and I'll admit that you still have to spend up to £500 on lessons and test for the bike later, as the CBT is only the initial step, for which the car probably turns out cheaper in the end. A car bought for a grand is more likely to be more knackered than a bike for a grand, (or certainly used to be more likely, more modern cars last longer better).

Fuel and road tax savings probably don't really count, if I can get 90-100 mpg from my wee bike, and only 30 mpg from a car, 5000 miles in a car will cost c £650 and a bike for 5000 miles will cost c. £200? £400 is still a reasonable difference though (a month's rent maybe). It does cancel out the amiount you'd have to spend on DAS .

Anyway, on initial starting (1st years use) a bike might beat the car by £800 or more perhaps. That's what mattered to me when I needed to get mobile, and doesn't count the fun, convenience (or lack of with no boot and only one seat), filtering possibilities, and less general hassle.

I haven't taken into account consumables, as I've not had it long enough to had to pay for any yet, save for £20 for 5 litres of oil.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: Bike and car running costs Reply with quote

Shade_BW wrote:
M1ke wrote:
most car tyres are only £20-£40 each.


Ha ha ha ha!

You do own a car, don't you?

Shade
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Our local Stapletons tyres is offering four tyres to your car for £100 fitted.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my Pirelli something-or-other for £25. Depends if you've got a mate who works in a garage...
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

as said before in this thread it depends on what you compare and where you live, i have been riding and driving for twenty years and have found cars to be a lot cheaper at times thats why a lot of bikes have become toys, performance extreme and running costs stupid.
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Trunecka
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a budget-rate something-or-other or a decent one? I wouldn't buy rubbish tyres for my bike anymore, even if they were cheap from a mate. After all they are 'your only contact with the road.' During normal riding anyway Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's a mid-range something or other. I don't put cheap nasty tyres on my car - for it was my car that I was talking about.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
From what I've seen, getting started riding/ driving is initially easier on a bike. CBT £100, insurance £300 (for me anyway), bike £1000, equipment £200-300. £16-1700.

Car, £400-500 lessons and test, car £1000, insurance £1000. £2500.



If you wanted to be picky..... To get in a car and drive from the age of 17 all you really need is the £27 or what ever it is to get your provisional licence off the DVLA. You can jump in a car and drive with L plates without having to take any lessons what so ever providing you have a passenger with a full licence.

I think all in to pass my full car test it cost me around £300 and for my bike it cost me £250 (including cost of CBT there)
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
A car bought for a grand is more likely to be more knackered than a bike for a grand, (or certainly used to be more likely, more modern cars last longer better).


Probably the other way round. Cars these days are worth peanuts. £1000 would get a fairly good car with loads of life left in it.

mchaggis wrote:
Fuel and road tax savings probably don't really count, if I can get 90-100 mpg from my wee bike, and only 30 mpg from a car, 5000 miles in a car will cost c £650 and a bike for 5000 miles will cost c. £200? £400 is still a reasonable difference though (a month's rent maybe). It does cancel out the amiount you'd have to spend on DAS .


30mpg is about right for a reasonably quick car. For a cheap basic car, sort of equivalent to a bike that would do 90~100mpg then you would expect at least 40mpg and possibly nearer 50mpg. 5000 miles in the car will barely touch the tyres (think we got 20000 miles out of front tyres on the Clio, rather more from the rear tyres), while with a bike you are most of the way to going through a set of tyres. Add a chain to that possibly. Check the cost of a car exhaust and compare that to a bike (a complete car exhaust will probably cost you less than a cheap race can). Few cars need an oil change more often than 6000 miles (and some are now pushing 20000 mile oil change intervals), yet few bikes will go as far as 6000 before an oil change is needed. Set of brake pads for a cheap car will probably cost you about half the price of a set for a bike.

It does seem that from what people have said that insurance seems to drop more rapidly on a car with age.

For me, based on a year / 12000 miles for my car (Alfa 33 P4) and the bike (Bandit 1200):-

Car
2 oil changes of 4.5l fully synthetic oil with 2 OE filters = £55
Spark plugs = £4
Airfilter = £8
Petrol @ 30mpg and 80p a litre = £1450
Road tax = £165 (think)
MOT = £35
Insurance (fully comp) = £250
Tyres (half a set) = £80
Set of brake pads (half a set) = £10
Exhaust (last about 4 years, so 1/4) = £40
Total = £2097

Bike
3 oil changes of 3.3l fully synthetic oil with 3 OE filters = £65
Spark plugs = £16
Airfilter = £12
Petrol @ 45mpg and 80p a litre = £970
Road tax = £60 (think)
MOT = £15
Insurance (fully comp) = £190
Chain (allow 3/4 of a chain) = £60
Tyres (1.2 sets) = £190
Set of brake pads = £30
Exhaust (lasts about 5 years so 1/5) = £120
Total = £1728

Saving of about 20% for the bike, but that is doing my own work on them (car garages are far cheaper), and I am very light on tyres on a bike.

At the end of the day I land up spending too much money on both of them, while having a kitchen that looks like a bomb site.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:02 - 18 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably the other way round. Cars these days are worth peanuts. £1000 would get a fairly good car with loads of life left in it.


Such as a Rover. They're worth nothing, but one with a couple of years on it will do an average car's job as well as any other.
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