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itsdave
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: CBR6F engine sounds lumpy? Reply with quote

Not my words was with a mate last night he had a little look and fiddle with the bike as he has not seen it before. When i started it up he turned and said sounds a bit 'lumpy'. I honestly had not noticed but since then i have noticed it all the time.

Now is this down to it needing a very good service or is it something more serious?

Much thanks in advance

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PostPosted: 08:55 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Re: CBR6F engine sounds lumpy? Reply with quote

itsdave wrote:
Not my words was with a mate last night he had a little look and fiddle with the bike as he has not seen it before. When i started it up he turned and said sounds a bit 'lumpy'. I honestly had not noticed but since then i have noticed it all the time.

Now is this down to it needing a very good service or is it something more serious?

Much thanks in advance

DAVE



Throttle bodies might need syncing if it is just at idle, how does it sound when rev'd above 3-4k, still sound lumpy? How old are the spark plugs and air filter? Holes in the exhaust?

Mine sounds a bit lumpy too tbh, been putting off syncing the throttle bodies. I also have a fuelling issue caused by a new exhaust and air filter that I am putting off sorting (I need a power commander).

EDIT: what is your idle set to? you want around 1300rpm idle.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bike idles around 1k mark when warmed up. The bike does not sound massively smooth at higher revs. I have only had the bike about 6months and most of that was short trips im starting to go through things that need sorting but the lumpy engine noise is something i would like to get sorted first.

exhaust is fine

so ill have to have a look at the spark plugs and see if that brings any joy.

throttle bodies how do you sync or check they need syncing?

thanks for the responce.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

itsdave wrote:
bike idles around 1k mark when warmed up. The bike does not sound massively smooth at higher revs. I have only had the bike about 6months and most of that was short trips im starting to go through things that need sorting but the lumpy engine noise is something i would like to get sorted first.

exhaust is fine

so ill have to have a look at the spark plugs and see if that brings any joy.

throttle bodies how do you sync or check they need syncing?

thanks for the responce.


First off turn your idle up a bit, this might clear up the idle issues you have. There is a black thumbscrew on a cable on the left hand side near front sprocket cover, when the bike is warm (after a ride) turn it until the idle reaches about 1200-1300rpm.


The signs that TBs need syncing is a lumpy idle Smile, basically you adjust the TBs so that each one pulls in the same amount of air and then each cylinder produces the same amount of power. As they are sync'd at idle or at least at low RPM it has the biggest effects low down. Should certainly clean up the idle lumpiness.

You need a set of vacuum gauges (Morgan Carbtune are the best for the £ (get ones with 4 vacuum guages not 2)) or get a garage to do it, not sure what a garage would charge but it is not a lengthy job.

How many miles are on the bike? Any service history with it?
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thank you.

the bike has around 28k on it at the moment but think that is mainly motorways as the tyres were rather badly squared when i got it.

and ok so ill have a look at the idle speend and then if that doesnt help ill look at doing the rest i might be back soon with a reply thank you again
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

itsdave wrote:
ok thank you.

the bike has around 28k on it at the moment but think that is mainly motorways as the tyres were rather badly squared when i got it.

and ok so ill have a look at the idle speend and then if that doesnt help ill look at doing the rest i might be back soon with a reply thank you again


No problem, good luck with it Thumbs Up .

The bike has a 16k major service interval, if it wasn't serviced at 16k then the spark plugs, air filter and valve clearances are long overdue which could contribute to the lumpiness. If you have any paperwork with it check to see if the 16k service was done (it is expensive (normally £300+) so is often ignored).
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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itsdave wrote:
ok thank you.

the bike has around 28k on it at the moment but think that is mainly motorways as the tyres were rather badly squared when i got it.

and ok so ill have a look at the idle speend and then if that doesnt help ill look at doing the rest i might be back soon with a reply thank you again


No problem, good luck with it Thumbs Up .

The bike has a 16k major service interval, if it wasn't serviced at 16k then the spark plugs, air filter and valve clearances are long overdue which could contribute to the lumpiness. If you have any paperwork with it check to see if the 16k service was done (it is expensive (normally £300+) so is often ignored).


perfectly understandable might have to do it myself if it was ignored was gonna do one anyway as its got a few miles from when i got it.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fazer suffers from a lumpy idle too. Its perfectly normal on a carbed bike.

Fazer seems to be quite sensitive to after market exhausts. It ran really lumpy with the viper exhaust I had, even after a carb balance. I then changed the viper for the current exhaust and the thing sounds like an FI bike!!

Some bikes just do it regardless. Early R1's are an example.

If you want to 'cure' it the best thing to do is get some fuel system cleaner (redex) and run that through a tank of fuel to clean the carbs. Give it a service if you want to. After you've done that then balance the carbs.

The reason you do it last is because everything will have a slight effect on the balance.

I'm going to do the Fazer again soon as after running the fuel system cleaner through its now a little lumpy. I'll post up a how to. Also a before and after video so you can hear the difference.

It won't be causing any damage so don't worry to much.

Hope that helps.

I'm on my phone so I haven't gone into much detail and haven't read through all the previous posts so sorry if I have repeated anything!
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
The Fazer suffers from a lumpy idle too. Its perfectly normal on a carbed bike.

Fazer seems to be quite sensitive to after market exhausts. It ran really lumpy with the viper exhaust I had, even after a carb balance. I then changed the viper for the current exhaust and the thing sounds like an FI bike!!

Some bikes just do it regardless. Early R1's are an example.

If you want to 'cure' it the best thing to do is get some fuel system cleaner (redex) and run that through a tank of fuel to clean the carbs. Give it a service if you want to. After you've done that then balance the carbs.

The reason you do it last is because everything will have a slight effect on the balance.

I'm going to do the Fazer again soon as after running the fuel system cleaner through its now a little lumpy. I'll post up a how to. Also a before and after video so you can hear the difference.

It won't be causing any damage so don't worry to much.

Hope that helps.

I'm on my phone so I haven't gone into much detail and haven't read through all the previous posts so sorry if I have repeated anything!


The CBR F sport is an FI bike Very Happy Thumbs Up .

I haven't used fuel treatments before, they actually work?
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 13 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
The CBR F sport is an FI bike Very Happy Thumbs Up .

I haven't used fuel treatments before, they actually work?


Ahh my bad. I assumed he meant one of the earlier ones!! Laughing

Yeah, very effective.

I was hesitant to use it, but my bike was becoming increasingly difficult to start, which was very unlike it. I had accidentally let the fuel run very low and as a result the carbs had sucked a load of shit through, hence the hard starting.

I bought a thing of redex fuel system cleaned, a couple of hundred mls. The instructions said to put half a bottle per 50 liters of fuel. I went down to shell, brimmed my tank with optimax ( I use this anyway), and stuck the whole thing of redex in the tank.

I then let it run low ish, and brimmed again with optimax. It is so much better now. Starts on the button everytime.

I thought it was just a myth but I have to say I am very impressed!
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 14 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very good service is what it usually needs if it hasn't done so. 32k mile service WILL include a valve check, new plugs, air filter check and TB sync.

Before I had a chance to put it in for the 32k service, the bike was running like proper dog. I upped the idle to about 1.5k and had to furiously blip the throttle in town because it would refuse to hold at 1.2k. The moment I pull the clutch in, the revs would drop too low and die. The engine would hunt between 1.2 - 1.6k at startup.

I had my throttle bodies synched at 30k when I changed the clutch and it did the job. It takes about an hour for a garage to do, but I'd rather put it in for them to do because it's a dog to get to the adjuster screws on my fireblade without the correct bodged tools which a garage will undoutbedly have.

There wasn't much difference in feel after the 32k mile service either. The garage double checked that the synchronisation of the throttle bodies however just to get it tweaked. It now sits happily at 1.1-1.2k after startup.

Mind you 1st gen honda FI are known for being utter dogs! Even with a stock can, a PCIII sorts out the fuelling slightly to make it less lurchy in town.
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