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will108
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: How to replace Air Filter? Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

I have a gilera 50cc DNA working fine.
I have bought a K&N style filter, put in on and now the bike bogs at anything over half revs. (its ok on little power)

I have tried turning the fuel/air screw on the carb but no joy, so I have put the old original air filter on and everything is back to normal.

Any suggestions please?

Thanks.
Will.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The K&N will be letting more air though so you'll also need to adjust the fuelling by altering the jets in your carb to compensate.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Re: How to replace Air Filter? Reply with quote

will108 wrote:

I have tried turning the fuel/air screw on the carb but no joy, so I have put the old original air filter on and everything is back to normal.


Probably you need to raise the needle a touch and go up a couple of sizes of main jet. The air screw only affects tiny throttle openings, so is pretty much irrelevant at high revs / large throttle times.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:31 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, when you fit an open air filter to a two stoke you are changing the fuel/air mixture AND reducing back pressure, this means that you will effectively be running with too much air and not enough fuel as well as reducing compression. This really isn't good for the engine and drastically reduces performance. If you want to run with an open air filter you will have to upjet 10-12% if not more. This will drastically increase your fuel consumption. However, there is absolutely no point to you running an open filter. The open filters are designed for those with Big bore (>70cc) kits, larger carbs, sports exhausts and just generally tuned up engines. Basically, you've just wasted money on decreasing performance. You will probably find that even if you do upjet you will have lost a fair bit of performance.

Bung the air filter on the Variator air ducting. They look reasonable there and it wont affect performance.

This will explain the science of an airbox in better terms then I can here:

https://www.scootershack.co.uk/airboxguide.html


So, in summary, ditch the open air filter and stick with your stock airbox. Job done.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you oil the k&n filter?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boll***s.

Thanks guys.
I should have checked before I bought it.
£12 on eBay.

Not too bad, could have been worse.
I will stick to the origional one.

Will.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Re: How to replace Air Filter? Reply with quote

will108 wrote:
I have bought a K&N style filter,

As others have said the 'stack' type filter doesn't suit two strokes all that well and can give hassles, especially if anywhere it can get wet.
The K&N 'copy' fiters of e-bay are also notoriousely crap... and dont filter very well, dont flow very well, and have a habit of shaking off and or to bits.
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will108 wrote:
I have put the old original air filter on and everything is back to normal.

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PostPosted: 21:46 - 15 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

computid wrote:
You will probably find that even if you do upjet you will have lost a fair bit of performance.


Like Computid says it will make you lose performance, to understand fully the operation of an engine and to get power increase you need to understand VE(Volumetric Efficiency) this is basically getting the correct air/fuel mixture (stoichiometric ratio) into the engine burning as much as possible and getting it out through the exhaust, just shoving a K&N will not work

For arguments sake lets say you change the jets to cope with the new air filter, then you will have to replace the exhaust so the back pressure(exhaust side) will push the correct amount of un-burnt fuel back into the engine to make it efficient.
So you have now spent all that money on jets/filter/exhaust and I would put money on the power increase would not be what you were expecting.

I see it so many times people put either a new air filter on or exhaust thinking you will get 5bhp, when 10/10 times you will lose 5bhp, its just the new induction/exhaust noise that plays with your mind thinking you are getting an increase in power.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Don't agree I am afraid. You certainly don't have to change the exhaust to suit the filter to avoid losing power. But the gains from a change in filter will be tiny and the possible losses from getting the jetting wrong can easily be greater.

The exhaust doesn't care about the air filter, and it works from pressure waves dependent on rpm rather than any specific level of pressure.

All the best

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