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.Bishbash.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Touring bikes Reply with quote

A little background first;

Doing a two week tour in Europe in August to the Czech Moto GP and back going through 8 different countries there and back.

So been looking at a few different bikes to buy just for the trip, and have considered a Pan European, Super blackbird, ZZR1100, VFR750 and Bandit 1200S.

Reason being for the slightly sportier version of a tourer is that we will stop by Nurberg ring for a couple of laps.

When it comes to the tourer bikes I am not experienced, any issues in Pan Europeans I should look out for?

I have found a few that I got my eye on but the majority seem to be high mileage, do these run for more than the normal bikes?

Oh say this one and instantly thought this guy is a wanna be copper. Laughing Laughing Would be a laugh for the trip though. Embarassed

Anyway any other suggestions on good reliable touring bikes?

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PostPosted: 16:45 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touring 2 up on the viffer in july, will let you know how that handles it (bit late by then I know) but my guess is its gonna munch up the miles like a fat man at pizza hut buffet Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My pan euro is on 101,000 miles now and i'd take it anywhere.

If you wanted to you could do czech in 24hrs, I have a few times.

Issues buying a pan euro.

The main one, rear swing arms rust. have a good poke around the front underside which is usually the worst bit.

Get a 96+ model with better alternator, the early ones were 28a and unreliable, damn expensive and a real pain in the arse to change.

Front wheel bearings i'd change before a long trip, I tend to change mine for genuine honda ones every 6 months just to be safe.

Calipers seize up with lots of mileage and need to be kept clean, £30 a caliper for rebuild kit so cheap to do if needed.

rear bevel box, often called the diff can pack up, look for silver coloured oil, also the spider can wear causing the rear wheel to disengage the rear wheel losing drive, can only check this by taking the wheel out, keep it greased.

Genuine cans are made of rusty scrap and rust if you mention water to them. If solid should last ok but if they look a bit suspect they'll fall apart fairly soon.

Don't let this put you off, I do silly mileages, all this stuff has happened to me over several pan europeans over a 18 year period, one bike I had did 60,000 needing only 1 front wheel bearing and the braked rebuilding.
I took it off the road at 86,000 miles after the alternator packed in on the way back from portugal
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.Bishbash.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, can go look at some with a good bit of knowlege behind me now.

Great stuff thanks! Thumbs Up

Any other view more than welcome. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Re: Touring bikes Reply with quote

How about an R1, then add a double bubble, some adjustable bars, pegs and gel seat to give comfort for the longer bits and all the 'fun' you could want for the fun bits Smile.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got me looking at Pan Euros now Laughing Insurance is dirt cheap.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of MPG on a Pan?
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

28 litre tank and one advert claims 230-280 miles so about 35 - 45 mpg.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 16 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ducati SportsTourer2.

Hold on... hold on. Hand

For about 2k you can get a bike with under 30k on the clocks.
Probably with a full service history. Choose the post '98 models and you too get a better charging system like the Pan. 200mile tank range (mine averages 45mpg). Get the hard luggage included if you can..they are 100% waterprooof although not massive.
The post '01 models miss out on fully adjustable Showa front and rear.

Totally underrated bike...kinda slipped through the net.

*BUT....I'd probably buy an old blade or R1..fit some risers and buy a sheepskin....Yeah i know. WTF. But having now ridden them i cannot believe how roomy they are and how practical they can be.
I'd sniggered when i read about RTW on an R1...What a novelty...Not.


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PostPosted: 00:11 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had 48.6mpg out of one of my current pans, average though for me is 38mpg but i rant the tits off them constantly and still get 200 miles out of a tank.

Ride it like a nun and you'll do 300 miles on a tank

Old git, 9 points, good area would cost me £217 for 2 pans fully comp

I pay more than double that though as i'm one of those dangerous courier type
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.Bishbash.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Re: Touring bikes Reply with quote

G wrote:
How about an R1, then add a double bubble, some adjustable bars, pegs and gel seat to give comfort for the longer bits and all the 'fun' you could want for the fun bits Smile.


Just about to sell the R1, need a change, I personally wouldn't want a R1 for that trip, well not mine anyway.

Only reason for a pan would be the fuel range it has, as said above, 300 miles out of a tank is exactly what's needed. Didn't think the insurance was that cheap, should be an interesting swap from an R1 when I renew. Laughing Laughing

Keep the suggestions coming!
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 20 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally any uprightish bike is OK for Europe (as long as you're not going offroad). In my opinion something like a Bandit or a Fazer 600 makes a perfect euro bike (+theyre cheapo). I did two weeks in euro last year on a Fazer600, two up.. had givi 40lt topbox and oxford sports panniers and a small tankbag. we had room to bring 4,5 bottles of wine back. Also in Europe you're not gona run out of fuel stations to need a massive tank range...

also not being biased here but the best touring bike is the Africa Twin Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 20 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sprint ST'll do 200+ to a tank and you get that lovely 1050 triple motor...
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 20 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

olionel wrote:
In my opinion something like a Bandit or a Fazer 600 makes a perfect euro bike...


I'd definitely get an S though. I've done 340 miles on my ER5 in a day and my neck was killing me.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 20 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

270 miles today and most days.

Mot passed this morning with no notes and it's got 102,000 on the clock

Wouldn't want to use anything else
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 21 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with G in that it doesn't require a change of bike, I can't remember which R1 you have but seem to recall it's the 2004/05 model which IMO is by far the most practical and comfortable of the lot. I do my touring on Fireblades, albeit my new one is somewhat less comfortable than the old one due to it being a bit more compact and sportier.

If you are changing bike anyway though then it makes sense to get something a little more relaxed. I don't think a Blackbird is that much of a step away from sporty, it's still got clipons but is somewhat more comfortable. A Bandit or VFR will be significantly easier on your wrists and back and a pan european is about as close to driving a car as you can get. If you get a pan though I wouldn't buy it off that wannabe copper. The only thing that bothers me about pans is the most simple jobs are a pain in the butt due to the fairings, panniers, exhausts and so on all being in the way.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 21 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about pans is the most simple jobs are a pain in the butt due to the fairings, panniers, exhausts and so on all being in the way.


I never have issues, 10 allen screws and sump plug to do an oil change.
Don't have to remove anything except the slip on panniers to change plugs or the pads or have the wheels out.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 21 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Sprint ST'll do 200+ to a tank ...

Not if your doing 80-90mph+
I did a 140+ mile trip home last week at 90+ and the fuel light was on 10 miles before I got home.

however with economical riding, your looking at a 180 mile per tank range, though as soon as I`ve clocked 120 miles I have to seriously think about looking for fuel. Especially if I`m riding european motorways, as the service areas are generally around 20km apart. I will normally ride for 1-2hrs or 100 miles then consider stopping for a rest break / fuel stop
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 21 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been touring for the last few years now and can confirm the Hayabusa (gen1) is up to the job. I've done Holland, Belgium, France, Portugal Spain, Some of Germany, Switzerland and some of Northern Italy Thumbs Up

The busa is confortable. Can carry luggage (although I am the master to travelling light). Is fast enough for the autobahn. Fairly decent fuel economy. Well behaved in cities and can carry a pillion easily (done that twice).

The Hayabusa 1999 is a brilliant all round bike.. that's why I have 3 of these beautiful girls Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 22:42 - 21 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What on earth do you do with 3 Hayabusas? Or do you mean you've had 3 of them?
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 21 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
What on earth do you do with 3 Hayabusas? Or do you mean you've had 3 of them?

I look after them. I ride one...and the others are just backup Laughing TBH I was supposed to sell one or two... just haven't got round to it Embarassed
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