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PostPosted: 09:09 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Cheap eBay mods = absolute disaster Reply with quote

I'm posting this despite knowing that a lot of the replies will be of the "That's what you get for buying cheap tat" and "Serves you right for wanting tasteless chav bling" variety, the reason being that some people might find it interesting and at the very least it will get it off my chest.

About 6 weeks ago I went on eBay to buy some aftermarket bits and pieces for the Street Triple. Seeing as how the forks and a few other parts are already gold, I thought I'd stick with that colour.

First of all I bought a radiator cover:
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310277655198&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

It looked quite nice when it arrived so I fitted it. Less than one month later, this is what it looks like:
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As you can see, the supposed aluminium anodizing has almost completely faded. So right now I'm asking for my money back, but I don't hold out much hope.


I also ordered a set of gold levers. I made a thread about this earlier so I will just post a link to it:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=219554&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

I complained to the seller and they said they knew of the problem and would send me some new levers that will not fade, but my expectations are not high.


I also ordered a set of crash posts and swingarm bobbins. I was told they were shipped over a month ago, but never arrived. The seller is not responding so I have had to open an eBay dispute to try to get my money back.


So far, so terrible. But the worst was yet to come. The brake lever I ordered turned out to be incorrectly machined. There is a hole that the brake pushrod seats into, but in the new lever it must not have been quite deep enough. This was where the combination of shoddy parts and my mechanical incompetency resulted in true disaster. Despite it being a very tight fit when I installed the lever, I decided to persevere anyway, because I'm a total bellend. This resulted in the front brakes being ever so slightly on, although I didn't realise it.

The next day I was riding to work, going about 60, when the bike started slowing down for no apparent reason. This lasted about a second, then suddenly I was no longer on the bike, I was sliding down the road.

I ground to a halt and managed to drag myself onto the verge. I knew my knee was hurt but it wasn't until I looked at it and saw bone that I realised how badly. The woman who'd been in the car behind came to help, and mentioned that she had seen smoke coming out of the bike just before I'd crashed. Presumably this was from the front brakes.

So as well as a pile of worthless eBay crap, I also have a severely scraped bike and the prospect of 2 months in a leg brace due to a broken kneecap. My helmet, boots and gloves are in the bin.

FUCKING SHIT BOLLOCKS

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So far, so terrible. But the worst was yet to come. The brake lever I ordered turned out to be incorrectly machined. There is a hole that the brake pushrod seats into, but in the new lever it must not have been quite deep enough. This was where the combination of shoddy parts and my mechanical incompetency resulted in true disaster. Despite it being a very tight fit when I installed the lever, I decided to persevere anyway, because I'm a total bellend. This resulted in the front brakes being ever so slightly on, although I didn't realise it.

The next day I was riding to work, going about 60, when the bike started slowing down for no apparent reason. This lasted about a second, then suddenly I was no longer on the bike, I was sliding down the road.

I ground to a halt and managed to drag myself onto the verge. I knew my knee was hurt but it wasn't until I looked at it and saw bone that I realised how badly. The woman who'd been in the car behind came to help, and mentioned that she had seen smoke coming out of the bike just before I'd crashed. Presumably this was from the front brakes.


Damn, that looks nasty!

This is exactly what caused my off on the runway at 132mph.

When the bike is first ridden, the wheel spins freely and the brakes don't bind at all. As the brakes generate heat, a tiny amount of oil is supposed to flow back into the master cylinder through the return port (no bigger than a pinhole really) to stop pressure building up. This port is covered by the master cylinder piston in the very first bit of travel, so because the lever was tight-fitting it's held the piston over that port which has not allowed any pressure relief in the system.

Basically, they have sold you a poorly-machined part which has caused the crash. I'm not a great advocate of the compensation culture but in this case, I would say you have a great case and good justification for a claim.

BTW don't touch the bike or the braking system if you think ou want to claim - it's going to need to be inspected by an engineer/assessor.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not one for the compensation culture either, but in this case it is just. I've ranted in another thread about how e-bay has become a haven for "businesses" selling cheap crap and it's about time the sellers are the ones paying for it!

Like Pete said, don't touch the bike. Get it inspected to prove the lever caused the problem and start down the road of taking the seller to the cleaners!

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Just looking at the e-bay listing for the brake levers, they're shipped direct from hong-kong... Not sure where you would stand regarding blame as I'd hazard a guess at the parts not conforming to british standards. Maybe worth having a chat with someone like trading standards, or even watchdog. You could get old sour-face anne fighting your corner!
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aah, I see you bought the levers direct from Hong Kong. That puts the mockers on any idea of claiming Sad
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys, unfortunately I had already removed the brake lever because I wanted to work out what had happened. Plus the fact they came from China made me think I didn't have a chance at getting compensation.

I have fully comp insurance and a guy from 4th Dimension came to pick the bike up this morning to take it away for repair (all the way to London, surprisingly).

A small piece of good news:

Beowulf Performance Products wrote:
Hello



Please accept my apologies for the problem you have experienced with your radiator cover.



During last year, we had a problem with certain batches of our radiator covers, the anodising had not been sealed correctly. I was sure that we had recalled all of the offending radiator covers, obviously there were still a few out there from the batch.



This problem has since been rectified, we now use a different anodising company.



If you would be happy for me to send a replacement to you, please let me have your address and I shall ensure one is dispatched immediately.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if they were a UK outfit l would expect them to just say you fitted them incorrectly, l too have brough cheap pattern levers in the past which have turned out to not fit correctly which l,ve had to bin hopefully you will have some luck going after the seller.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been a fan of cheap eBay stuff myself (to a point) and stories like this certainly make you stop and think.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a Beowulf exhaust, quality seems fantastic and has a lifetime guarantee.

Sorry to hear about the levers! i had £35 ones on my last bike, has opened my eyes to how dangerous they can be!
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to mention the gold wheels I bought on ebay:

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260761663273&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
https://i.ebayimg.com/05/!CEd9CHg!mk~$(KGrHqYOKpME0UnDvv+)BNS!rhTmS!~~_12.JPG


When they arrived, they were the wrong bloody colour!

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/img_5539.jpg

So I've sent them back asking for a refund. I could've asked for the right colour but I can't be bothered any more. This whole thing's just been a complete failure from beginnig to end.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn you are one unlucky sod.

Utterly shocking about the brake levers! Shocked

Was that the first time you had ridden with them?
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Damn you are one unlucky sod.

Utterly shocking about the brake levers! Shocked

Was that the first time you had ridden with them?

Yeah I put them on the night before, then rode to work the next morning. I think it was a killer combination of bad luck and stupidity. For example, I'm sure my knee wouldn't be as bad if I had been wearing more than just my work trousers ...
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
Damn you are one unlucky sod.

Utterly shocking about the brake levers! Shocked

Was that the first time you had ridden with them?

Yeah I put them on the night before, then rode to work the next morning. I think it was a killer combination of bad luck and stupidity. For example, I'm sure my knee wouldn't be as bad if I had been wearing more than just my work trousers ...


You might want to change your avatar to "Can't kneel - mortal after all"

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody Ebay, it's good for certain things but for safety related stuff I definatly wouldn't go there now Thumbs Down Such a blatent waste of your kneecap and bike. I hope you repair both quickly.

They can sell good looking tat into the country knowing full well that it doesn't fit properly etc and get away with it . Arhhhhh. I would alert trading standards to see if they've had problems before and because Ebay is a UK site they may be able to take them off?

I hate to be the first to point it out but wouldn't all that money spent on tat have been better spent on some proper trousers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst part is I have armoured trousers, I just couldn't be bothered wearing them that morning cos it was "only a 10 minute ride into work" ... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bet you wish you had bought the triumph levers now, i know they're £150 but......

mate of mine had the same sort of problem with a pattern brake lever on his fireblade, the actuating heel of the lever that went against the master cylinder piston was slightly smaller, ok every day but on a track day he got some heat into the brakes and the lever came back to the bar! so got a genuine new lever and the problem went
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is part of the reason i bought my last pattern brake lever from a Honda dealership, as you know it's not likely to be dangerous tat. That and it was £6 or so i think.

I do hope you are able to chase compensation as it's about the only thing short of the feeble arm of justice that incentivises companies to play a straight game. Worth a few phone calls to some ambulance chasers imo, as you'd hope that by selling in UK, it'll make them able to be held to account by UK law.

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PostPosted: 15:39 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your off. Thats really harsh. Your original post stopped me buying some, and for this, I thank you.

I hope your recovery is quick and reasonably painless and that your bike is repaired ASAP.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky mate. You just made my mind up, I'm going for Pazzo levers rather than Chinese copies.

Btw, your tax is due soon. Shifty
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's particularly the levers at fault, well i suppose it is as this wouldn't have happened without them, but plenty of people fit the cheap pazzo knockoffs with no problem.

It was mainly down to the man on the end of the spanner. Someone with a bit more savvy would have drilled the hole to the right depth or just not used the lever at all.

Not having a pop at the OP as he's already kicking himself enough.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Btw, your tax is due soon. Shifty


Yeah the reminder arrived the other day. More good news! Brick Wall Hurt

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I don't think it's particularly the levers at fault, well i suppose it is as this wouldn't have happened without them, but plenty of people fit the cheap pazzo knockoffs with no problem.

It was mainly down to the man on the end of the spanner. Someone with a bit more savvy would have drilled the hole to the right depth


Yep, it's weird to think such a simple little job could have prevented 2 months of pain and suffering. I'm now relying on the goodwill of the gf to give me lifts to and from work every day; that's what I call suffering!
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gutted for you about the damage to the bike and knee. :'(

Not the same disaster story (result) as you, but I too have had 'cheap' eBay leavers that needed modification to get to fit.

I am not sure how they get them wrong ... it is one thing being made of poor quality material, another thing for some of the dimensions to be out!?!? Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:

I am not sure how they get them wrong ... it is one thing being made of poor quality material, another thing for some of the dimensions to be out!?!? Thinking



Poor chinese eyesight when machining them Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:53 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, according the eBay listing they use a CNC machine, and presumably they use the dimensions from the stock part to program it with, so what the hell?
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear you came off. Your knee looks nasty man, hope you make a full recovery. I bought a brake lever from ebay, which didn't fit. I couldn't even be bothered returning it. Piece of crap.

You have the same helmet as me. How did that hold up to your fall? (I see the scratches, but what did you feel, if anything, any kind of head-pain afterwards?)
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 17 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The helmet did an excellent job. As you can see from the photo, I smacked my face off the road, causing the visor to ping off. I hardly realised it had happened; at no point was their any pain at all, I never felt stunned, even the glasses I was wearing are completely unaltered. Quite amazig really. Thumbs Up
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