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PostPosted: 22:18 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say get it done this summer. You can get as much experience on the 250 (if that's what you choose) after the test and, tbh, you don't need a lot of experience to pass the test itself.

After all, plenty of people turn up for a CBT on a Monday morning, having never touched a motorbike before, and are all licenced up by the Friday afternoon.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have only been riding my 125 for 3 weeks now. And yes, I am craving more power already. But I think that comes from driving cars for 6 years, where I was able to cruise along at 70-80mph with ease. Now I have to rag my bike to get to 65mph-ish and like you say its a struggle to keep it up at that speed.

Though if I avoid dual carriageways its more than fast enough for me, so I will stick with it for at least 6 months if not longer. If I get frustrated I can just think about how much less its costing me to get to work than everyone else around me Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You dont need to be getting your knee down to be able to do the test, infact I think they might not be best pleased if you did. Laughing

I did my CBT in september and was still buzzing around on a DT50 until I did my test last week. It's more about the time you've spent on the bike than the time you've had a license. I wouldn't say your timescale is at all unreasonable provided you've been out a fair bit ( and it sounds like you have).

I had to absolutely rag the balls of the 125 I did my test on so I know the feeling of redlining it in every gear and barely going anywhere. The DT felt fine acceleration wise in town, but A roads to college were beginning to get tiresome.

Short answer, if you have the means and the confidence, get it done. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get it done as soon as you can, 250's handle dual carriageways with ease Thumbs Up

You should be concentrating on your road position, observation and riding smoothness rather than getting your knee down....lol
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Re: Craving More Power Already Reply with quote

Andy J wrote:
My daily commute is 50mph+ and unless your shifting gears at like 9k revs its a really tedious experience tbh; especially slowing down for speed cameras then speeding up again etc.
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Have you had your first major 'off' yet?
Wait until that happens before deciding if you really 'need' more power?
Here and now?
I think you need to do something about your ATTITUDE, and your CONFIDENCE.
If you don't think you are good enough to pass a test, then you sure as fuck aren't good enough to be playing rebel racer on the fucking roads, and chicken with every yellow scamera box!
Riding is NOT about going fast, pumping adrenaline ans seeking thrills.... its about SURVIVAL.... that means precision riding, being 110% in control at ALL times.... from that NATURALLY comes speed, as a BY product..... going fats, rushing, letting the red mist take control, YOU are not in control, YOU are going to crash, very, very soon.....
Do you want to be doing that on a 9bhp bike at 50/60 or on a 25bhp bike at 70... and adding insult to injury, facing charges of riding other than in accordance, and without insurance, to the speeding and dangerouse driving rap sheet, and being presented with the entire bill for damages done, when your insurance co refuse to honour the cover you fraudulantly obtained, riding an unrestricted bike, 'on the dodge'....
entirely up to you, I am not your concience, but from what you have said and the way you have said it, you are currently an accident looking for a place to happen.....
Your shout, matey.
But the crunch comes when enthusiasm outstrips common sense, and that co-insides with confidence outstripping competence....
Its ALL about balance on bikes, and at the moment yours is all out of kilter.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont ever feel pressured by other drivers riders tailgating you!!

I usually find it ammusing to see cars shit themdelves when you dab on the back brake when you feel they are following to close!

Let them know if you think they are too close, wave them to back off or tell them to fuck off (may lead to more agressive behavior towards you mind)
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Re: Craving More Power Already Reply with quote

Andy J wrote:
...which is a lot more dangerous than going an extra 10mph.


I think this is the attitude that is being referred to. Who says it is safer to go faster? You do only because it fits your self-imposed beliefs of what is safe and what is acceptable. I ride a bike capable of 150 mph yet I always stick to 'red circle' speed limits and have never once been rear-ended in 9 years of big bike riding. Some people tailgate but plenty don't.

For some, a bigger bike is just a faster way to get into bigger trouble.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy J wrote:


I'd quite like a 250 ninja for my next bike, I'd be more than happy with that for a couple of years I reckon. They start at around 3k though second hand so maybe not Rolling Eyes .. although it will probably happen tbh lol.

I can't believe how much the bike test costs, I mean £400-£500 that's ridiculous isn't it?! I know once you got you got it but that's not the point!



i think you would get bored of a 250 in about a month tops. youd be better off with a restricted big bike, at least that is actually fast and then when you get used to it you take the restrictors out and its like a new bike again.

as for the test... last time i looked it was like £15 mod1 £80ish mod2...which is like £100 roughly which is no expensive at all. granted you may need a few days training etc but its not necassery.

nowhere near as much as a car test + insurance plus its 100X more fun. win win
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't got bored of my 250 in over a year but then I guess it depends what you want out of the bike. If the just wants to commute on it as cheaply as possible then it's a tool for the job. If he wants to wizz around at the weekend then get a bigger bike.

Why waste £3000 on a 250 Ninja when you can get a better, bigger and prettier bike for much less.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-HYOSUNG-GT-250-R-ORANGE-BLACK-FSH-IMMACULATE-/180669857533?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a10c33efd

And that's an expensive one
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Re: Craving More Power Already Reply with quote

Andy J wrote:
I think you've jumped the gun a bit there tbh mate,

All I can go by is the comments you offer.....
I know from training newbies, how often there is a big gulf between how L-Platers talk, and how they walk...... but... I've not seen you walkin', only heard you talkin'.....
Andy J wrote:
I don't play games with speed cameras either, but I do usually go up to 60 in a 50 etc, if I stay at 50 i get tail gated like a bitch, and If I have to break suddeneley I'm fucked.. which is a lot more dangerous than going an extra 10mph.

Make your mind up... you cant have it both ways, and you just said you are playing Gatso Chicken, now re affirming you are playing Gatso chicken, but trying to 'justify' or defend it some how?!?!?
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I hear what you're saying

No you dont..... I'm afraid
Andy J wrote:
but I like I said, I require this power because it stresses the bike on my commutes

BOLLOX! How many miles have you don, IN YOUR LIFE?
Have you had to rebuild your bike because of all this 'stress', trying to keep up with traffic on it has caused?
what you are experiencing is a low powered little bike that has to have the nuts revved off it to make useful power, because it has one single little piston, slapping up and down in it.....
With 8 or 9bhp being made at the piston top, it doesn't have the capability to do itself that much damage, and these things will run for many thousands of miles at or near max power, being 'thrashed' to give all they can, without doing ANY serious harm to them.
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and i'd rather be going the same speeds without feeling like the engines about to cry and gain a bit of acceleration when necessary..

OK, so you want an Enfield 350, that makes pretty much similar power, and does pretty much the same speed, but from a bigger piston that will only rev to around 6K... so it 'feels' less strained.... but will actually wear out faster, becourse the engine isn't actually as durable, making power from a big bang, puttng big loads on the bearings and shafts rather than simply turning faster......
Some how I don't THINK so..... and it SOUNDS like you know what you are talking about, but in fact, actually talking to me is simply proving how little you ACTUALY really DO know....

Lets back up, becouse hearing, but NOT listening you missed teh salient point in there, that its about SURVIVAL and being IN CONTROL.

First of all, this GASTSO Chicken game... I DGAS why you do it; point is you ARE, and whether you are doing it becouse you are letting the red-mist thrill seeking urges take control, or whether you are letting your paranoia about being shunted take over, doesn't matter.... you are THREE TIMES letting circumstances OVER RULE YOUR OWN REASON, and deligating CONTROL from your own sense of self presevation and common sense to OTHER INFLUENCES.

Consequently you are NOT in control, riding your bike, inside your capabilities AND the laws of the road, and ALLOWING yourslf to be pressured into risks you really ought not be taking, and compounding them by deligating that control from your conciouse to the other influences.....

FUCK the idiots behind. If YOU are riding in a 50 at 50, YOU are riding within the law, and the prescribed 'safe' speed for the road.

If THEY want to break the law, or take risks, THAT is entirely up to them..... they can jump off a cliff if they want to, but if you were stood infront as they took a run at it, would you go ahead of them, just so they didn't knock you over?

The 'CORRECT' way to deal with a tail gater is to SLOW DOWN.... NOT speed up....

You do NOT tap the brakes and risk causing an accident from an 'unnecessary' panic reaction from them, or what can be construed as 'antagonism'.

You simply roll off the throttle, gently... reducing the speed so that the gap they are NOT leaving is a more reasonable breaking distance.....

IF they fill that gap and get closer.... you SLOW MORE. AGAIN, still not antagonizing them tapping the brakes or making any sudden or unnecessary manouver.

If they wish to pass you, you hold your road position and LET them pass you....

If they do NOT pass you, and continue to tail gate, despite having slowed down.... THEN you wait until it is SAFE to pull over and STOP and allow them to pass.

Before proceeding, when SAFE to do so.

THAT is the 'Text-Book' way to deal with tail gating drivers..... NOW FUCKING WHERE does it say, "Speed up, and travel at the speed they want you to... its OK, if you have a car behind you, its not speeding"

NOW, you are blustering, and flustering, and unhappy with that advice, and trying to find scenario where that isn't practical, or attempting to ridicule it, with the suggestion that on your commute you would be having to stop every 20 yards, for 'ALL' the tail gaters you encounter....

So I'm going to cut you short, before you try..... BOLLOX.

Becouse it happens VERY SELDOM, and you are trying to justify YOUR actions, not to me, becouse I KNOW that you dont have 'real' justifcation for them, but to yourself....

BOTH the speeding, the engine stress, and the tail gating notion.

Only person you are fooling is youself. Recognise, and GET PAST that, and you are ready to make progress. Until then, we're simply pandering to your preconceptions and delusions.......

NOW.... nothing wrong with the bike, and 9K will not kill it, its designed to do that, and survive, and more likely to survive it than you are right now.

And it would make MORE sense, if you dont like 'tortuiring' the engine, to SLOW DOWN to take stress off it, NOT speed up.... AND you'd be riding within the law, AND you wouldn't have to make 'sudden' unnecessary, destabilising, and RISK inducing manouvers, braking every time you see a yellow scamera box, AND these HOARDS of tail gaters would NOT have to hit the brakes and eat what little space they haven't left risking a shunt every time.........

So, two ears, one mouth and LISTEN and learn something!

PERFECTLY reasonable to want 'more' bike.

But your REASONING, is utter fools logic, and kidding yourself into it for false reasons. a bigger, more powerful bike WILL NOT solve the problems you suggest... it will SIMPLY make them worse and put you at GREATER risk than you are now.

DEAL WITH THEM, as I have suggested by sorting out your attitude, your confidence and your RIDING.

Once you have done THAT..... perfectly REASONABLE to simply say "I want a bigger bike!"

You dont HAVE to have a reason, you dont HAVE to justify it. fact that it will make you HAPPY is reason enough.

But kidding yourself that you NEED it, is WHY we have the L-Plate restrictions..... becouse at the moment, you are NOT READY to have a big bike.... you CANT handle the pressure riding a little one......

And are making the WRONG decissions, for the WRONG reasons, and NOT taking control, and protecting your OWN arse, the RIGHT way.

Andy J wrote:
As for the test, can I pass It? I don't know I was just curious as to when most people take it.


Time to test varies on people and circumstance, but the end of the day, all you have to do is wobble around a few cones and then ride around a few streets like you are already doing, with some bloke with a clip board instead of a personality behind you.

Here and now, I very much doubt you are riding to test standard. The comments about your riding, and the attitude and thinking you are displaying sugests that you are doing a lot of stuff just 'wrong'.

Fact that you are insistant on the idea that its 'OK' or acceptable, and unreceptive to doing stuff 'right', and looking for excuses to JUSTIFY what you are doing wrong......

Well you are entrenching your mistakes and errors, and aquiring 'bad habbits' and concvincing yourself that they are 'right'.....

Means that you are on a hiding to no-where, becouse carrying ON like that will just make your riding worse and the more entrenched these ideas become, the longer you convince yourself of thier 'reason', harder they will be to 'unlearn', and actually LET you get to test standard.......

Are your toes well and truly brused yet? Sorry, but I call it how I see it. And if its ANY solace, its unfortunately FAR too common..... you are NO different to about two thirds of new riders.......

But up to you, if you want to lift yourself above the herd.....

I would reccomend some training, to try and nail a few of these bad habbits, as soon as....

BUT first you need to do some soul searching, admit to some of these faults, and WHEN you go for training, NOT put ion a performance for the instructor and ride how yopu THINK he wants to see you ride.....

That is a BIG pain in the arse, and as an instructor a total waste of my time, and your money. Anyone can put on a show, doesn't tell me how you ride, 'naturally' or what you do right or wrong, so I cant teach you fuck all..... all I can do is say whether you put on a good performance or not.........

End of lesson de-brief...
"How did I do then"
"Wondeerfully.... Brilliant ride, text book, loved it. Now you can ride home like the idiot you normally ride like!"
"Ugh?! What!" Embarressed Laugh, "Oh, I'm not THAT mad, honest"

Doesn't matter.... how mad or sensible YOU think you are, point is, you haven'#t got past that 'hurdle' of being honest.... and opened up to learning.

THAT is the break through you need to make before you can make progress.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think mike has covered about everything there and a bit extra


just have one thing to say

id be more concerned about whats happening with the cars in front of me rather behind because if the car in front of you breaks suddenly and you don't notice because you are more concerned about being tail gated and speeding up then you are going flying across the road
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with Mike I'm afraid mate.....biking wise, I'm a newbie, but I've been on the roads for 9 years, my last decent motor being 270hp (current one 90hp Confused ).....therefore I would say I'm sensible. It's all about progression, SLOW progression, so that you don't find one day that your lust for more power outweighs your experience......then, you get hurt or die Sick

I'm currently riding everywhere to test standard, coz I'm not fully licensed up yet. One day last week, doing an EXACT 30mph, I had two dumbass car drivers tailgate, then overtake me within 20mins of each other.....one of them a bloody pensioner in a shite Skoda! But who gives a rats-ass? Ride YOUR ride.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 26 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

true that you do need to be sensible and be carefull you dont get something way to powerful for your abilities. i rode a small bike for a year before moving onto something more powerull and im very comfortable riding my bike pretty much flat out, its all about how you feel.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy J wrote:
I can't believe how much the bike test costs, I mean £400-£500 that's ridiculous isn't it?!


Only if you go via a training school. Just book the tests yourself. Theory is £31, Module 1 is £15.50, Module 2 is £75. You can learn during a test, but you can't pass during a lesson.

Regarding your speed issues, get up 5 minutes earlier and ride to arrive. Nobody is going to drive into the back of you.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like most, I've got to agree with Mike.

I've already had a fair few people barge past in stupid places because I was doing the limit and they wanted to go faster. I didn't once think "maybe if I go over the limit they will back off". It doesn't work like that. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to take all of your rants mike and make it the highway code for learner riders!!! Lol Razz
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigboy85 wrote:
I would love to take all of your rants mike and make it the highway code for learner riders!!! Lol Razz


collectively, if you printed them they would reach the moon... Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are feeling a little bit bored with your bike, how about setting yourself a new goal. Set yourself a route, which encompasses roundabouts, traffic lights, pedestrian lights and many junctions etc.

The aim of the game is, you are not to put your feet down once until you have got to the destination.

I have friends who challenge themselves like this, sometimes fully loaded with panniers and camping equipment, just to throw a bit of heavy weight versus natural balance into the equation. The one who reaches destination with the least amount of feet/foot down wins.

Do this, and then come back and tell us how you got on. But make sure it's a proper decent circuit with changing situations, otherwise it's not cricket. Cool
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
The aim of the game is, you are not to put your feet down once until you have got to the destination.

I have friends who challenge themselves like this, sometimes fully loaded with panniers and camping equipment, just to throw a bit of heavy weight versus natural balance into the equation. The one who reaches destination with the least amount of feet/foot down wins.


I might try this on the commute to college Wink ahaha but does it count as cheating if instead of a foot down, you hold yourself & bike upright by using someones door mirror? :L
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