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PostPosted: 15:37 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Plastic 33bhp Restrictors Reply with quote

Just bought myself a GPZ500 which i'm now desperate to get restricted.

I know the dimensions for the washers and i'll be getting the bike dynoed soon after. I'm considering making some up out of plastic bought from B&Q or such like. Anyone got any opinions on this?

I don't want to get into the whole legal side of it, just want to know if this is a stupid idea!

Opinions/advice or other ideas welcome Cool
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrol will eat certain types of plastic, also it may melt over time, Why wouldn't you use metal, it is not like plastic is much easier to use.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legalities?

As long as the dyno reads at less than 33bhp you ok!
I am with chris... use metal if you already know measurement?
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Another vote to use metal to avoid potential issues with some plastics.

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PostPosted: 16:03 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just easier to work with plastic in a flat! Haven't got space or tools for metal working.

tbh i'll probably just have to be patient and wait until I cant buy some or get them made up. Sucks having the bike sat there just waiting!
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had plasitc in my bike, Made them up and stuck them in petrol for 3 days, they didnt dissolve so i stuck them in, 1 1/2 years later they were still there, like new, when i took them out. Fine in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4CK wrote:
I had plasitc in my bike, Made them up and stuck them in petrol for 3 days, they didnt dissolve so i stuck them in, 1 1/2 years later they were still there, like new, when i took them out. Fine in my opinion.


Hmmm very interesting! What plastic did you do them in?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wont repair washers do?
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
Wont repair washers do?


Sorry Moo not sure what you mean? I need the following dimensions:

OD = 42mm
ID = 20.5mm
Thickness = 1mm

Couldn't find anything 'off the shelf'

Thanks
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why risk MAJOR engine dammage just because you can't be arsed to spend some time with a file and a drill ...... ? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nylon is very chemical resistant and will give you no problems whatsoever, assuming temperature isn't an issue.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I wouldn't use plastic. If anything happened to them and they ended up in the combustion chamber you could be in a world of pain.

Simple solution: Get a piece of metal(steel, ally, whatever) and dependant upon how many discs you need drill that many very narrow holes in it (make sure it's as close to the correct thickness as possible) Mark out the correct size and number of circles with a compass and a scribe tool from the holes you drilled earlier and cut out roughly with a hacksaw/junior hack saw and sand/dremel smooth into a circle. Then, mark out the size of the holes using the same method. Drill to as big a size as you can, then sand/dremel to get them to the right size.

Simples! That's how I'd do it if I didn't have access to any machining tools. Hope that makes sense!

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Edit: a file works well too!
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

upanddown22 wrote:
Moo. wrote:
Wont repair washers do?


Sorry Moo not sure what you mean? I need the following dimensions:

OD = 42mm
ID = 20.5mm
Thickness = 1mm

Couldn't find anything 'off the shelf'

Thanks


Usually places like halfords sell things called repair washers, they're massive washers about the size of restrictors, you just drill them out Very Happy with the dimensions you found.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could cut them out of a bit of alloy sheet using an appropriate sized hole-saw then take the middle out with a drill in a few minutes.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone, my main trouble is lack of tools and an area to do the work in.

Anyways went out and bought some sheet steel and a dremmel tonight, taking ages as didn't get enough cutting bits! They don't look great as in the central hole isn't 100% round but i'll get it dynoed and if there are any issues i'll replace with proper ones.

Thanks for all the pointers Smile
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

wouldnt it be easier to get a washer and then get the correct drill bit to increase the hole. rather than uses a dremmel and sheet steel?
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

elobire wrote:
wouldnt it be easier to get a washer and then get the correct drill bit to increase the hole. rather than uses a dremmel and sheet steel?


Ay it would but I can't find 42mm washers anywhere, plus i'd need quite a big drill to do a 20.5mm hole!
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 27 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

upanddown22 wrote:
elobire wrote:
wouldnt it be easier to get a washer and then get the correct drill bit to increase the hole. rather than uses a dremmel and sheet steel?


Ay it would but I can't find 42mm washers anywhere, plus i'd need quite a big drill to do a 20.5mm hole!


https://www.a2stainless.co.uk/M14-Penny-Washer-42-x-3-0mm-DIN-9021-A2_AEQF.aspx

If you find somewhere that sells washers like these, thats the kinda thing i meant Very Happy Penny washers
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah cool, couldn't see them after numerous searches, tbh i'm just being impatient. I know a place where I can get them made but it'd be over a week before I could get them. But I want to ride it now!

Need to figure out where to take it to get it dynoed around Guildford as well.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're that desperate then just ride it without them.

Disclaimer: It is theoretically possible to get caught.

Although after you put the restriction in you will hate your bike if during the next week you ever went above 5k rpm.
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

make a throttle stop, take it in for a dyno, job done,
ive done it to a few bikes, when teaching mates to ride,
(stops ham fisted idiocy)

there is no specific way that you need to restrict the bike, or any proof that it is even restricted.

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PostPosted: 06:38 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, or slide restrictors. That way you aren't messing with the airflow more than it would as standard.

By the way, often the holes in the restrictors are not in the middle.
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's done now! Took bloomin ages as had to file and hand cut most of it as the dremmel only came with a couple of cutting bits! D'oh.

As you can see they aren't perfect, the centre holes are slightly wonky but figure this won't make a difference, i'm thinking the bike will have lost some power anyway being 16 years old.

Thanks everyone Wink
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