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AndyB1989
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: suddenly unemployed ... advice on new business venture Reply with quote

hi guys,

ive just found out from a phonecall with a recruiter that i am now unemployed .. he rung me up and said "i understand you are looking for a job" i said "i thought i was on holiday for a week thanks for the heads up"


turns out my boss is completely spineless and clearly didnt want to fire me himself and wont actually answer my phonecalls ...


anyway that being the case im considering it to to be the push i needed to set up my own business making and selling cakes as some of the guys in the live chat know i make wedding cakes mainly for friends and family but am considering moving into making wedding birthday and celebration cakes and also providing a fresh local catering small event catering business .. buffets for parties bbqs for school fetes etc etc its stuff i get roped into all the time anyway so i know i can do it.

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and as for the buffet table stuff it was my job at the last place to do and make salads and canapés all the time so i have lots of recipes in my head and have a good idea about costings.


obviously i will need to register a ltd company
set up a website
get public liabilty insurance
have a lock on the kitchen door that keeps the cats out ..
etc etc

but i like the idea of being my own boss and people are born all year round so if i can grow it quick enough the trade is there ..
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Hex
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best of luck in your venture.

Dont be too quick to raise your head above the parapit regarding sole trader and ltd company (obviously ltd company has advantages but other downsides like additional paperwork)

Ensure you keep your accounts right and get a good acountant that isnt going to want your first born for realtivly simple accounts.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, but get a back up job until the job you want takes over.
Good luck. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Very nice, but get a back up job until the job you want takes over.
Good luck. Thumbs Up


good advice skudd and i think ill do my sia licence and do some door work to tide me over
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyB1989 wrote:
Skudd wrote:
Very nice, but get a back up job until the job you want takes over.
Good luck. Thumbs Up


good advice skudd and i think ill do my sia licence and do some door work to tide me over


A bouncer who bakes cakes, I love it Thumbs Up Mr. Green

Good luck though, I think owning your own company is the way forward these days Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

6"2 19 stone rugby playing bouncer Wink
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyB1989 wrote:
6"2 19 stone rugby playing bouncer Wink


That makes cakes Wink
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm your typical "It'll never work" guy, but I'll try to temper my pessimism to say, maybe get a part time job to support yourself and do the cake business in your free time, until you know you have enough money coming in. I've heard it can take a while for businesses to turn a profit, and some never do.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it! Especially with wedding cakes. I know that when I got wed last year, looking for a proper nice cake was ridiculous. A 3 tier cake was around £180, but a "3 tier WEDDING cake" was around £500. Loadsa money to be made in them, and your cakes look awesome! lol

Good luck! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming you're doing this from home, food hygene standards will demand a little more than flowery tiles and formica worktops. I'd expect (not researched myself but I have a friend who is currently setting up a bakery type business) you'll need stainless steel worktops / splashbacks etc. It might work out more cost-effective and/or convenient to rent a small industrial unit rather than converting your own house... even if it's just so you can have somewhere that you can put half a dozen ovens.

Check your deeds to your house etc - there are usually rules prohibiting running a business from home. You'll get away with it while you're in a small way though.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
Assuming you're doing this from home, food hygene standards will demand a little more than flowery tiles and formica worktops. I'd expect (not researched myself but I have a friend who is currently setting up a bakery type business) you'll need stainless steel worktops / splashbacks etc.


You don't. My friends run a professional cake business on exactly the same lines, with all baking completed in the family kitchen. They passed their inspection with no issues.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
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Check your deeds to your house etc - there are usually rules prohibiting running a business from home. You'll get away with it while you're in a small way though.


Deeds to your house are for ownership, not what you can use it for.

I believe councils deal with change of use residential to business, but I doubt a small cake business would be a major problem as its more about effects on neighbours.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
Assuming you're doing this from home, food hygene standards will demand a little more than flowery tiles and formica worktops. I'd expect (not researched myself but I have a friend who is currently setting up a bakery type business) you'll need stainless steel worktops / splashbacks etc. It might work out more cost-effective and/or convenient to rent a small industrial unit rather than converting your own house... even if it's just so you can have somewhere that you can put half a dozen ovens.

Check your deeds to your house etc - there are usually rules prohibiting running a business from home. You'll get away with it while you're in a small way though.


You don't need stainless, you just need to be hygienic.

There shouldn't be a problem running a business from home and your accountant should get you some allowances for doing so - proportion of the household leccy bill, water bill etc.

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PostPosted: 23:43 - 02 Jun 2011    Post subject: Re: suddenly unemployed ... advice on new business venture Reply with quote

AndyB1989 wrote:

ive just found out from a phonecall with a recruiter that i am now unemployed .. he rung me up and said "i understand you are looking for a job" i said "i thought i was on holiday for a week thanks for the heads up"


The exact same thing happened to me last november.
Booked 2 weeks off, came home on the day before i flew out on my jols.
My spineless bitch of a pitbull faced manager had cancelled my contract.
I hope i see her on the road, she will be loosing a wing mirror.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 04 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

We (me and other BCFers) have a friend who set up in recent years as a chocolatiere... https://www.scioltibotanicalchocolates.co.uk/ it started out slow, she had the garage converted into her chocolate kitchen...and she started selling to friends and their friends (because her choccies are 'divine').

She now has had numerous radio and tv interviews and goes to big shows and events and markets and she is massively busy and is totally loving the whole experience.

Drop her a line, she will be fine about speaking with you (I'm sure) explain you want to start out and ask for tips. Karma Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 04 Jun 2011    Post subject: Re: suddenly unemployed ... advice on new business venture Reply with quote

AndyB1989 wrote:
hi guys,
obviously i will need to register a ltd company
..

Dont rush in to this one the accountancy costs really increase since you wont be able to do these your self unlike being a sole trader.
Most people go Ltd to protect them selves against losses from Debtors, however as I would imagine initially yours would be more labour intensive (yours) and most orders would be paid for up front I cant see this being important at the start

AndyB1989 wrote:

set up a website
get public liabilty insurance
..

yes both being very important!
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 04 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with it, but unless you've got very deep pockets I'd start the process of getting compensation from your current employer (formal grievance for lack of notice and unfair dismissal -> tribunal -> cha-ching), and sign on until there's money coming in.

It's not even particularly deceitful to do so: you can "work" up to 16 hours a week without effecting benefits, and anything beyond that where you're seeking out customers is exactly what you're supposed to be doing while claiming "jobseeker's allowance" or whatever they're calling it these days.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 04 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
angryjonny wrote:
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Check your deeds to your house etc - there are usually rules prohibiting running a business from home. You'll get away with it while you're in a small way though.


Deeds to your house are for ownership, not what you can use it for.

I believe councils deal with change of use residential to business, but I doubt a small cake business would be a major problem as its more about effects on neighbours.


I'm not sure, I've just bought a house, and on the Deeds of Covenant, it stated that a business could not be run from the house. So I guess it's worth checking at least.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 04 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Good luck with it, but unless you've got very deep pockets I'd start the process of getting compensation from your current employer (formal grievance for lack of notice and unfair dismissal -> tribunal -> cha-ching), and sign on until there's money coming in.


Depends on how long you worked there doesn't it ? I understood that if you were there less than a year you could get dismissed for any reason without any comeback. (I'm not saying OP hasn't been there less than a year, more that compo is not a guarantee)
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 04 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
angryjonny wrote:
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Check your deeds to your house etc - there are usually rules prohibiting running a business from home. You'll get away with it while you're in a small way though.


Deeds to your house are for ownership, not what you can use it for.

I believe councils deal with change of use residential to business, but I doubt a small cake business would be a major problem as its more about effects on neighbours.


Not totally true.

A lot of deeds have covenants attached to them, like no commercial vehicles, no businesses from the premises, no garden walls or hedges etc.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 11 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of good advice on here for you, and wow i guess a huge amount for you to think about. My advice is to try not to take to much notice to reasons why you cant make this work and try and focus on what you will get out of this venture when it does work, more on a self satisfaction level, that tends to drive people more than money. Try and give your business a point of difference (even a small one) to separate you from your competitors, and maybe narrowing your target market once you find the market your business is doing best in. Advertising will be key. Thumbs Up Big Step, Good luck. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need a website doing, or any advice on SEO, SEM or the likes, drop me a line mate!

Good luck with the business. How local are you to Lincolnshire as I could do with a decent cake shortly.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hex wrote:
get a good acountant



He needs a jew.

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Deeds to your house are for ownership, not what you can use it for.


The convanent on my deeds says that I can't keep chickens. Seems a bit specific.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Good luck with it, but unless you've got very deep pockets I'd start the process of getting compensation from your current employer (formal grievance for lack of notice and unfair dismissal -> tribunal -> cha-ching), and sign on until there's money coming in.

It's not even particularly deceitful to do so: you can "work" up to 16 hours a week without effecting benefits, and anything beyond that where you're seeking out customers is exactly what you're supposed to be doing while claiming "jobseeker's allowance" or whatever they're calling it these days.


Rubbish.
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