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Dr Nick
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:

How the hell am I going to pick it back up?

An SV weighs 165 kilos with the standard Supr-Heavy (tm) can.

Also if you have the Bike magazine DVD from a few years back, you will see mr Martin 'Wild' Child sucessfully wheelying, stoppying, and donutting the hell out of an unfaired SV!

I won't need more than 70bhp when I drop the gearing! Also, it is a V Twin and so has loads of wheelie inducing midrange! Very Happy

You aint gonna change my mind! Laughing


I don't understand why you like the SV so much, it's a budget bike, cheap suspension, cheap brakes, and an underpowered engine, maybe with a bit of money it would be good for a stunt bike, Supermoto's have spoked wheels which are ideal for stunting as they are very strong, lots of ground clearance on supermotos too etc, and a supermoto is basically an ex crosser, crossers are designed to be dropped/crashed etc, v strong frames, parts are very easy to get, all come with bash plates etc, SV comes with a frame that will be damaged beyond within one crash.
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WildGoose
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't understand why you like the SV so much, it's a budget bike, cheap suspension, cheap brakes, and an underpowered engine


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Dr Nick
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
bleh...
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Sparks!
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nick, supermotos are the best you can get for stunting IMO, but I won't go into that.. lol but Marjay (no offense) isn't too tall, about 5"5? no idea but he's too short to ride a supermoto, let alone stunt on one...

So mark has to take into consideration the height of a bike too, the SV650 is relatively low and so makes it more manageable to stunt on - by the time they are downgeared I can't see it struggling to wheely at all!
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Dusty
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
McJamweasel wrote:
Let some other muppet buy a shiny sportsbike, then crash it and wipe the value off. Then you buy it cheap and have great fun on the thing without worrying about dropping it cos its already about as dented as it can be! Thumbs Up

Are you suggesting that buying a bike from Ste or G is a good idea? Laughing

Cruisers are good for erm cruising I guess. But then any vehicle can do that can't it? Maybe not with quite as much style, but then who cares who's looking at you. In my opinion sports bikes will always be more 'fun', if you can hold on to your licence. I might be tempted by a cruiser if I lived in the States, where there are massive, long, straight, empty roads. But in this country it's all about corners, so I'd rather have something I can throw into the corner and have confidence in, rather than having to slow down as much.

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Dr Nick
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
WildGoose wrote:
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I don't understand why you like the SV so much, it's a budget bike, cheap suspension, cheap brakes, and an underpowered engine


"hello pot, this is kettle, you're black" Rolling Eyes Razz


Well if your talking about the Hornet, it may have budget suspension and brakes too, but its much better than the SV, more cylinders Mr. Green . Anyhoo its going tuesday and being replaced by a shiny Yellow DRZ Mr. Green .
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karen_moomin
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dusty wrote:
Are you suggesting that buying a bike from Ste or G is a good idea? Laughing


Probably not but then by the time those two of had it I can't do much to wipe the value off the bike or make it a lot tattier, so from that respect its certainly not a bad buy! Razz

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Bendy
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dusty wrote:

Are you suggesting that buying a bike from G is a good idea? Laughing


That probably depends if he's ever let you borrow it or not... Wink
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Ste
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is a good idea, honest. Razz I put a nicer engine in that bike and put un-G-'ed fairings onto it. Razz Razz (that's my story and I'm sticking to it:P)
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bendy wrote:

That probably depends if he's ever let you borrow it or not... Wink


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Ste
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Or could dependant on if you've ever parked you bike within sliding range. Laughing Laughing Razz
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr Nick wrote:
I don't understand why you like the SV so much, it's a budget bike, cheap suspension, cheap brakes, and an underpowered engine,
It has cheap suspension, but I'm not buying it as a cornering bike...
It has cheap brakes, but they are powerful enough to do stoppies.
The engine has a whole hunk of midrange and is easily more powerful than ANY supermoto. Also Have you ever ridden an SV? Wink

And it is about 20KG lighter than a hornet! Laughing
Dr Nick wrote:

maybe with a bit of money it would be good for a stunt bike, Supermoto's have spoked wheels which are ideal for stunting as they are very strong, lots of ground clearance on supermotos too etc,

How is lots of ground clearance going to help for Wheelies, stoppes and donuts?. The SV wheels are very strong too.
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and a supermoto is basically an ex crosser, crossers are designed to be dropped/crashed etc, v strong frames, parts are very easy to get, all come with bash plates etc, SV comes with a frame that will be damaged beyond within one crash.
Why would I need a bashplate? I'm not taking it off road (well off of 'the' road, but not on the rough stuff). I also believe that SV parts will be more common than race only crosser stuff...

Finally with regard to the frame, Superbike beam frames are hollow cast pieces welded together and so are dentable. THe SV is made from extruded ally bar and so it is solid and therefore impossible to dent (in the same way as a beam frame anyway - you can cleave chunks out of it with badly made crash bungs but on a crosser this same damage would have snapped a steel frame tube). Harris, the famous GP frame builders took a stock SV frame to see if they could make it stronger for racing, and they couldn't. They said that it was stronger than most of the braced race frames that they have worked on.

Finally: You don't want one so why do you care what I think! Laughing
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Sparks!
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi, I disagree with the SV being more powerful than any supermoto, I can't see that being quite true.

But I think the Sv is a great bike and will be good for stunting Mark, you don't need bash plates and lots of suspension travel to stunt as you know.. else they wouldn't stunt sports bikes! The SV when downgeared a bit would be great, it's light, torquey and decent enough to do any stunts possible I think..

Stunting on a less appropriate/powerful bike is the best way anyway, you'll learn to do it properly and not just because the bike does it, which is why I like supermotos, lots of power they do wheely relatively easily, but you need to be good to wheely long because the gears are so short, which means gear changing and balance points etc...

When you buying your SV then Mark?
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Ste
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
Also Have you ever ridden an SV? Wink

But have you ever riden a super moto? Razz

Nick, super moto's can be damaged beyond repair just as much as an SV can. Very very unlikely to damage the bike or the frame beyond repair in one single crash. And I would expect it is just as possible to dent, bend or damage a super moto frame as it is an SV one. And who says dented frames can't be used anyway? Razz
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karen_moomin
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
And who says dented frames can't be used anyway? Razz


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I do! Razz

Using a dented frame is a bloody stupid idea!

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Ste
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Look at the left hand side of your frame. I'm afraid it's not actually a racing dent like I told you when you bought it. Sad Razz
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karen_moomin
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
[Mcjam]

You mean it wasn't specially moulded according to strict design specifications from HRC, like you said??? Shocked
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 22 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wheelie an SV too much and you are going to seize the top-end, just like my mate did sprint racing his, all the oil runs to the back of the sump and doesn't get picked up by the pump. You can prevent this by having baffles fitted in the sump at additional expense.

Most supermotos have a dry sump, not an issue.
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 22 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can buy the baffles quite reasonably afaik.. but I'm never going to be that good at wheelies! Wink
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 22 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
Finally with regard to the frame, Superbike beam frames are hollow cast pieces welded together and so are dentable. THe SV is made from extruded ally bar and so it is solid and therefore impossible to dent (in the same way as a beam frame anyway - you can cleave chunks out of it with badly made crash bungs but on a crosser this same damage would have snapped a steel frame tube).


Many bike frames are made from extrusions (eg, most of the Bimota frame, the Aprilia AF1 Sintesi and Futura). Extrusions work well as they are not brittle, but they will certainly dent or bend unless someone makes them out of a solid extruded bar (which would weigh a ton compared to an extruded square section tube). Cast alloy is brittle and so likely to crack when damaged. A guy I knew years ago who worked doing materials testing at Rolls Royce and who did bike training in his spare time was very unimpressed with the cast alloy frame of the NSR.

Compared to other frames an extruded alloy frame is far more crash resistant than cast alloy, but not as good as steel, and certainly prone to cracking than steel.

MarJay wrote:
Harris, the famous GP frame builders


They built the GP frames to a Yamaha design (same as ROC in France). Harris did not design them.
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Born2bVile wrote:
It'll turn heads at 20mph, something no plastic-covered crotch rocket could really do.

(thinks of Benelli in his garage) You want to bet of that? Cool
Still, that's a lovely looking chop. Brings back memories of my old 750 Bonny chop 'The Empress Of Blandings' Mr. Green
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