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PostPosted: 11:10 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Diesel!! Reply with quote

Taking the bike to it's MOT today I was riding along the A370 dual carriageway into Weston Super Mare when I noticed small puddles on the road. I kept well away as it looked like they wanted to kill me, anyway i come up to Airport roundabout and there is the mother of all diesel spills right across lane 1. Luckily I saw it well in advance and moved into lane 2.

I mean how much of a retard large vehicle / diesel car driver do you have to be to fill your tank up that much that it pisses out when your going straight and then pisses out everywhere when you go round the roundabout.

Phoned the council who seemed disinterested. I've had enough of the increasing menace of diesel. I think as bikers we should all right to our MP's and make a petition to make diesel vehicles be fitted with a tank level limiter or something simular.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most probably didnt have a filler cap on. Shame you couldnt find the lorry and report it.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh probs a lorry.

Those big tanks have vents in the cap so it pisses out.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Yeh probs a lorry.

Those big tanks have vents in the cap so it pisses out.

It isn't supposed to do that.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bastard seems everywhere these days. Amazing really, considering he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

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PostPosted: 12:38 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have called 999 and reported it that way. It could cause a very nasty accident.

You've done the right thing though and if there is an accident (now you've reported it) the council have to pay for the damages. So bare that in mind if you ever come off on Diesel, call the police and if it's been reported you can claim all the damages back.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I'd done this... but then again didn't notice the Diesel spill till later on that day. Will still phone the council though.

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PostPosted: 13:05 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
You've done the right thing though and if there is an accident (now you've reported it) the council have to pay for the damages. So bare that in mind if you ever come off on Diesel, call the police and if it's been reported you can claim all the damages back.


Not if they've not had a reasonable amount of time to rectify the situation. What the courts deem as reasonable may be different to what you deem reasonable.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand that for the authorities to get to every spill it must be a nightmare especially with cost cutting etc and they could do without the hassle of compo claims for essentially somebody else being irresponsible.

It would be so much easier to stop the idiots overfilling their tanks with some sort of device...cue the inventors of BCF.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Not if they've not had a reasonable amount of time to rectify the situation. What the courts deem as reasonable may be different to what you deem reasonable.


Yeah this is true. Although that's no excuse for them to blatantly ignore it!

I think more needs to be done in terms of fuel tank development that stop it from happening in the first place.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
It would be so much easier to stop the idiots overfilling their tanks with some sort of device...cue the inventors of BCF.


MY MITEY BRIAN SAAYS: opening the cap also opens an overflow hole below the top of the tank. Overfilling results in DERV spilling on your trainers, and you'll leave oily footprints all over the place the next time you stop to murder a prostitute.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same problem here, made a thread about it a couple of weeks ago. Everywhere in the road. I'm pretty confident it's the Binmen's truck that's causing it. It's everywhere, on every road, every side street, literally all over.

I get really paranoid about it too. Even if it's not affecting me, whenever I turn it kinda feels like my back end is going, I'm not sure if it really is though.

Also, I'm not sure how the compensation thing would work. It's kinda like potholes in a sense. They may have been reported, and people still damage their vehicles on them, but rarely anybody will get anything from the Council on it. The duty of care they have is quite a long time on potholes, I assume they'd have a get-out-of-stick free card on diesel too.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reported an oil spill on a minor road in bedford (it was actually the hire van I was driving) ...........picked up this hire van that had just been serviced and drove it about 8 miles stopped to see the last of the oil coming out of the sump.

Called the Highway department of the local council who were there in 15 minutes with kitty litter! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reported an oil spill on a minor road in bedford (it was actually the hire van I was driving) ...........picked up this hire van that had just been serviced and drove it about 8 miles stopped to see the last of the oil coming out of the sump.

Called the Highway department of the local council who were there in 15 minutes with kitty litter! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,

To be honest I've had enough with the increasing amount of whining coming from a certain group of bikers about 'the dangers of diesel'.

You can ride through diesel. Unless you are cranked over a fair fair bit you can just ride through it, if I can do it so can other bikers. Being in contact with diesel for effectively a tenth of a second will not damage that part of your tyre either.

Not only that, but there are other things such as stone chips from the Council, objects in the road, flying objects hitting you, large puddles for hydroplaning and black ice which are just if not more dangerous and almost no-one mentions those.

From what I can see one biker complains about diesel, then another rider assumes it's a massive problem, avoids it forever on the road and then complains the next time they see a spot of it on the road.

As for the compensation, get out of the culture! If there is a hazard (diesel) in the road in front of you, and YOU decide to not avoid it and YOU decide to ride through it and YOU cannot keep the bike upright meaning YOU crash then there is NOTHING to claim for! You crashed in the circumstances, chin up and deal with it, don't be sucked in to the compensation culture, especially as you won't get a penny anyway.

Rant over, cheers!
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Hey,

To be honest I've had enough with the increasing amount of whining coming from a certain group of bikers about 'the dangers of diesel'.

You can ride through diesel. Unless you are cranked over a fair fair bit you can just ride through it, if I can do it so can other bikers. Being in contact with diesel for effectively a tenth of a second will not damage that part of your tyre either.

Not only that, but there are other things such as stone chips from the Council, objects in the road, flying objects hitting you, large puddles for hydroplaning and black ice which are just if not more dangerous and almost no-one mentions those.

From what I can see one biker complains about diesel, then another rider assumes it's a massive problem, avoids it forever on the road and then complains the next time they see a spot of it on the road.

As for the compensation, get out of the culture! If there is a hazard (diesel) in the road in front of you, and YOU decide to not avoid it and YOU decide to ride through it and YOU cannot keep the bike upright meaning YOU crash then there is NOTHING to claim for! You crashed in the circumstances, chin up and deal with it, don't be sucked in to the compensation culture, especially as you won't get a penny anyway.

Rant over, cheers!


*thread nonsense alert! Paulington knows not of which he speaks*

Let me tell you a little story. A few months ago I was driving to work in my car. My car has 235 section front tyres, and 255 section rears. The tyres currently fitted are Bridgestone's stickiest flavour.

I decided that I would avoid the main trunk route from my house and sneak through the estate across the road to get to the motorway. As I started down the hill I noticed a wide stream of rainbow on the road. The weather was dry and fine, and there was certainly no ice about. I reached the roundabout at the bottom of the hill, and knowing there was diesel on the road I gingerly turned in to take the second exit to the right. I was doing about 20mph. As I straightened up the wheel (you have to do that in a car) I found that the car was continuing the turn in a most perplexing manner. I had the clutch down by this point, and I gently placed my foot on the brake, and yet the car continued to slide until I was in fact facing back up the hill blocking the exit which I wanted to take. There was no drama, no squealing of tyres... I just pirouetted around the roundabout in a four wheel drift under absolutely no control whatsoever.

Now, if that can happen in a car with more grip than a good 75% of cars on the road, what the heck would have happened had I been on the bike?

You're talking bollocks. Diesel is worse than water, worse than loose chippings and worse than snow. Its almost as bad as sheet ice (and I've driven on that without spinning!)

Diesel is lethal, and that is from first hand experience, not just me listening to others and panicking.

Oh yeah, and I think you're thinking of 'Aquaplaning'. a Hydroplane is something different, and it doesn't tend to be much of an issue on a bike when you've got a small contact patch anyway. Plus snow, standing water, gravel and such are generally avoidable, whereas it is less easy to see and avoid diesel.

Anyway, to conclude my little tale of woe, I did not damage my car (luckily) but I did phone the council, who came out not two hours later and spread a load of cement dust over the road. They clearly took it seriously.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington. You are speaking out of your bottom.

I've encountered diesel spills on the road that I struggled to walk on, let alone ride a bike on. One in-particular where a mobile crane shat it's fuel tank over a half mile stretch of road in York I landed up getting off the bike and pushing it along the pavement.

Yes, you get an occasional drip which spreads out into a rainbow when it rains that you needn't worry about unduly but any reasonable quantity and you may as well be riding on black ice.

If I spilled a load of ball bearings on the road and you failed to avoid them and crashed, would it be your fault or mine?
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at paulington, what complete utter shite you spout.


Diesel is extremely slippery, I have walked over a massive spill at a petrol forecourt before, (turns out a car had it's tank drilled, owner noticed the empty tank and filled it up only for it to spill straight back out again). Walking through that shit was on par with walking on sheet ice.


If a diesel spill causes an accident the person who caused it should be held accountable.

Not to mention the affect that spilt fuel has on the tarmac, it acts as a solvent for the tar dissolving it and loosening the road surface, this gets mashed about by tyres and freezing water making potholes. The round about near my local petrol station is littered with holes for this very reason.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What everyone else has said basically!

I went to fill up the other day and nearly dropped the bike when putting it on the side stand because of fuels spills on the forecourt! My foot just slid right out from under me. I certainly wouldnt want to ride through it Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully concer with marjay et al,

when I doing my training for my DAS I rode over a river of diesel that some kind sole had spilled going up a hill, i nearly lost the back end as it slid out from under me and was only going slowly, i can tell you now it was only luck that the bike stayed upright and i nearly gobbled the seat up through my arse hole.

OP. i would call the po lice next time you encounter a bad spill rather than the council/HA. I rang them when i came across a half mile spill on the way to work one morning that some nob had left down a main road. luckily it was more at the side of the road in the gutter but it was so bad you could smell it in air as you turned on to the road
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
A little skid anecdote highlighting paulingtons questionable ramblings


You do realise that braking during a skid will cause afore mentioned diesel induced skid to worsen in severity?

The other point to consider is that "stickier" tyres often have a much lower silica content than other tyres. Silica helps repel water and other nasties that can cause you to lose grip. Sticky tires don't need this is as they are designed to be sticky under optimum conditions, which are usually warm and dry.

Look at a Pirelli Supercorsa in the rain and the water it absorbs next to a normal Pirelli Diablo. The water rolls off a high silica tyre but doesn't the low Silica tyre.

But i'm sure you already knew that Wink
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nixon wrote:
MarJay wrote:
A little skid anecdote highlighting paulingtons questionable ramblings


You do realise that braking during a skid will cause afore mentioned diesel induced skid to worsen in severity?


Oh really Mr Expert!

I was trying to avoid sliding sideways into the kerb, and my judicious (but gentle) application of brakes actually arrested my forwards movement, and luckily my sidewards movement was away from the kerb. I saved my alloys with correct application of brakes, so there! Razz

With regard to the tyres, they are Bridgestone runflats and so have a reasonable silica content. They weren't Toyo T1R's or anything like that. Still pretty sticky compared to the 'Goodrides' or 'Wanli' tyres and remoulds you find on the average Mondeo or Corsa.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey,

To be honest I've had enough with the increasing amount of shi* coming from Paulington over how much of a super rider he is with the observations of a Apache helicopter on nightvision .

Rant over, cheers!


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From what I can see one biker complains about diesel, then another rider assumes it's a massive problem, avoids it forever on the road and then complains the next time they see a spot of it on the road.


Why should we have to put up with people providing an extra risk on the road and an extra drain on our already overworked observations due to all the other things we have to look out for . I saw the diesel miles away and dealt with it but for an inexperienced 'L' plater etc then the outcome could be fatal on a big roundabout with other cars and HGV's around. Also bikes cost money and i certainly don't want to be having to pay out for something that shouldn't be there.

The majority of people who ride everyday will tell you that it is a increasing problem and not one that should be taken lightly because the longer it goes unchecked then the more potential it has to effect us.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 15 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Hey,

To be honest I've had enough with the increasing amount of whining coming from a certain group of bikers about 'the dangers of diesel'.

You can ride through diesel. Unless you are cranked over a fair fair bit you can just ride through it, if I can do it so can other bikers. Being in contact with diesel for effectively a tenth of a second will not damage that part of your tyre either.

Rant over, cheers!


But what if I am cranked over on a roundabout? Last time I checked a round about is a massive thing of concrete with a tree in the middle. You generally can't see more than 5 meters in front of you. How am I meant to take avoiding action if I can't see the stuff.

I've done the petrol station trick too, where you arrive, put your feet down only to have one slip right out from under you.
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