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JonB
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: What a rip off! Reply with quote

Hello, just got a call back from Atkins of Taunton, my local Piaggio dealer.

They have replaced the throttle completely and they had to get the parts in, the total cost is £60.69!!!!

I have spent so much money on this bike, just to keep it running, granted I only paid £490 for it, but in 4 months I have had to buy a new Spark Plug, brake light connector, tyres and rear brake shoes!

I must of spent nearly £200 on this thing!! Sad
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL Just wait till you get a bigger bike mate Shocked £200 is absolutely fark hall! Laughing
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JonB
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind spending more on a bigger bike, I just didn't want to be spending much on a bike that was intended to void the space between 16 and 17. Sad
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcycling/Scootering is an expensive hobby, especially if you use main dealers!

Though working it out I've only spent £600 on keeping the GS running in 2 years of ownership Very Happy.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent over £200 on the NSR in the first few days of me owning it mate Laughing .
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Ste
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

To save money do the work yourself, a throttle can easily be replaced yourself and then all you have to pay if the cost of the parts, and you can hopefully get them from a bike breakers as well which is cheaper than from Piaggio. Tyres and brakes wear out on all bikes and are just a cost of running them just the same as petrol is. Same with spark plugs they need replacing every so often as well.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Ste, to a point - I don't "do it myself" but I do have a "man who can".

Thing with that is, you really need someone to show you, at least the first few times. Have you got any friends/relatives who are handy with the spanners Somerset?

Perhaps instead of rideouts & trackdays we should be organising spanner-ins & service days? Cool

Or you could always ask on the techy thread in New Bikers, there's always someone about who knows their stuff.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour charges will cripple you every time. The only way forward is to learn to do it yourself. Most jobs don't really require much in the way of specialist knowledge, just a methodical way of working, basic understanding of engineering principles (but not always), and a little common sense. Get a manual, get a few basic tools, and have a go. Take note of what came from where, take pictures if you can. When taking something apart, write down each step, then when putting it back together go back through the list backwards ticking off each step as you've done it. If a local college does an evening class on motorcycle maintenance or basic mechanical engineering, have a go. In the long term it will save you a fortune, and eventually you will get to the point where you can handle bigger and bigger jobs, and you will know that it's been done properly ('cos dealers often do half a job). Money saved on extortianate labour charges = money towards next bike. (Plus, once you get a little more confident, it's actually fun).

IF IT WAS DIFFICULT, MECHANICS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT!!!
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
Motorcycling/Scootering is an expensive hobby, especially if you use main dealers!


true so true, luckily i have found a good general dealer almost 1/3rd price

sadly if i remeber right SS had no choice but a dealer



still £200 in six months is considerably cheaper than the girlfriend..
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JonB
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I agree Ste, I don't do it myself usually, I usually have my friend do it for me, he is a mechanic.

However I broke down on the side of the road about 15 miles away from home, so the only option was to ring my breakdown cover, they insisted on taking it to my local Piaggio dealer, so I had no choice really.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

/double post Sad
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mr.z
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some money saveing advice follows...

Get to know your local breakers

Get a set of spanners and know how to use them...


When i first got my bike i had to have the radiator rebuilt, not allot i could do there :/

But

Fork seals - £90
Wheels off (tyres) - £30
Brakes front (pads and bleed) - 1hours labour - £30? + £20
Brakes back - 2hours labour - £60?
Oil + filter(x4?) - 1hour? - £30
Radiator flush/refill - £30
Water overflow bottle - £60+ (engine out job!!!)

Thats about 9months worth, i did have to buy the tools (torque wrench and socket set and the all important manual being the most important up to now) and the oil and filters e.t.c.

I've been ridding for nearly two years and had never waved a spanner beforehand, i'm far from an expert now but most stuff is easy enough to do if you read the manual properly and if you ont know either ask or leave it alone (you can also cost yourself allot by simple mistakes!)
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Ste
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
I agree with Ste, to a point - I don't "do it myself" but I do have a "man who can".



Perhaps instead of rideouts & trackdays we should be organising spanner-ins & service days? Cool [/quote]
Doesn't matter as it still gets it done and is lots cheaper than a shop doing it. Smile
There have been "fix your bike" days done before, but if someone is needing help with doing something there is a good chance that if they post up about it asking if anyone local can help them then someone nearby will give them a hand if they can.

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
However I broke down on the side of the road about 15 miles away from home, so the only option was to ring my breakdown cover, they insisted on taking it to my local Piaggio dealer, so I had no choice really.

Change breakdown companies then, most will recover you to home or a nearby garage of your choice. Best bet is to get it home and then sort out doing anything, any shop where you are wanting them to do some work for money for you will be able to come and pick it up in their van, my local bike shop charged me like £5 for collecting it and dropping it back off last time so it's not going to break the bank. Is it by chance some breakdown which you got for free with the scooter from Piaggio?
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JonB
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the brakedown cover free, courtesy of Motorcycle Direct, my insurance company. Smile

When I get my big bike, I will go with the likes of the RAC etc. Smile
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yambabe
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is Ste, I don't know what it's like in other places but the shop where my other half works have stopped doing breakdown callouts as it is only a small outfit & he is the only mechanic - the amount of time spent doing recoveries was costing the boss a fortune in lost garage hours.

The only real exception to this now is warranty breakdowns as far as I know.

However, they will always assess a bike that is dropped off there by someone else (usually the AA or RAC) and give an estimate for repair.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset, I was with BikeAssist (0800 9173365) and they cost per year £30 for normal breakdown which will recover you to home or a garage, or for £45 they'll include homestart in it. They just call the nearest breakdown place to where you are and use them. Only used my breakdown once, was very pleased with the service, they weren't wanting to poke the bike to fix it as they get paid so don't really mind. They were willing to take the bike and take it despite it being a different colout bike to the one I was covered on, I was covered on a ZX6R and G's ZX9R broke down so just swapped the plates to get them to take the ZX9R to G's. Smile Thumbs Up

Know some people use International Breakdown and are pleased with it, as it covers you, not the vehicle, so if you're in your car, bike or someone elses car or bike it will recover you to home or a garage. Not bad for £68 really. Thumbs Up
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JonB
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Motorcycle Direct rang the nearest breakdown company which was South West Motors and they suggested taking me to the Piaggio Garage. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

£200 quid, mere childsplay, dont sweat it too much, all bikes cost money, and scooters are made with very cheap bits

the total for my CBR400 is getting scary, and i havent purchased any labour for a long time now Rolling Eyes
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Ste
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry Goose, chances are it's not going to beat the amount I managed to waste on the TL. Sad
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

we'll see Wink

whats my target ste?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When i first got my bike i had to have the radiator rebuilt, not allot i could do there :/

But

Fork seals - £90
Wheels off (tyres) - £30
Brakes front (pads and bleed) - 1hours labour - £30? + £20
Brakes back - 2hours labour - £60?
Oil + filter(x4?) - 1hour? - £30
Radiator flush/refill - £30
Water overflow bottle - £60+ (engine out job!!!)

Thats about 9months worth, i did have to buy the tools (torque wrench and socket set and the all important manual being the most important up to now) and the oil and filters e.t.c.

I've been ridding for nearly two years and had never waved a spanner beforehand, i'm far from an expert now but most stuff is easy enough to do if you read the manual properly and if you ont know either ask or leave it alone (you can also cost yourself allot by simple mistakes!)


This is from the man i had to go and sort out his spot light electrics!
I have never seen blue tack used as insulation tape before!
This said blue tack looked like it had been eaten by the dog, gone threw its digestive system and then been chewed by the cat!
NEVER LET ZERO NEAR ELECTRICS!

Other than that, fined some-one who can do the work for you locally it might take you a while but if you find some-one you trust to do the work stay with them.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
whats my target ste?

Bought it for £3800.
33bhp was £220 dammit thought it was much less than that.Neutral
Tax was £60
R&G were £80
Fork seals were £40 fitted
Remus cans were £250 each
Gearbox was £1xxx

Sold for £3650

Lost £1030 before counting the gearbox. Shocked Neutral Sad
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: What a rip off! Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
I must of spent nearly £200 on this thing!! Sad


Hell boy, I spend that on TYRES for my supermoto every three months! Ahh the joys of mopeds Smile
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odie wrote:
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Probably not my finest hour...it was a good idea at the time...

Dont suppose you have any bar mountable buttons by the way? Razz
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

200 quid. Thats my monthly fuel bill, or just over it.
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