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PostPosted: 17:39 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Bike Girl, did get the idea that you were asking for people to mechanic for you, but was wrong it seems.

No, I am looking for people to help on the mechanics side since there will be a large number of girls who don't know race mechanics even if they know about general bike mechanics. I have a couple of volunteers but it's on a time & resource basis from guys who are already spannering and some who race too.

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your only team criteria is that they have to be female. You'd be much better off running girl only track days, you'd get more respect that way and it's a better idea in general.


We are doing a testing day this weekend at Pembrey with some of the girls to ensure we haven't got a duff team. That won't help anyone out. One of the girls was testing at Mallory last weekend and was very good - she's 16. All the interested girls are fast... yes, that's them saying it but I'm not about to create a team out of pub bravado.

We are running a Girls track day at Silverstone Sunday 17th Oct.
Session 1) Girls only novices - many girls are actually too nervous of fast blokes to go on a track - this is for them and others who just know they're slow but want a go.
Session 2) Anyone - so the girls can get partners along mainly.
Session 3) Girls racers and potential racers, plus some male racers who are keen to help out.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, I appreciate everyone's comments whether for or against. I fully expect to come across critisism for what I am trying to achieve, so it's not unexpected. However, other responses have been fantastic and the media (one of each national paper, radio and TV) are interested so I'm very positive about this.

I'll take on board the comments I need to as some are food for thought, some are very useful and some just need me to have good rejoinders to hand.

I'm still looking for girls to add to the team!

Visordown will no doubt get just as heated a response so I'll be posting this thread on there soon.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
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An all girls league is a stupid idea, your asking anyone and everyone, your only team criteria is that they have to be female Rolling Eyes


How is that stupid? I've just pointed out that there's an all girls league of rugby (which is a pretty male sport). And I'm pretty sure there's a soccer league as well, let alone any other "male-oriented" type sports. Its not a matter of sexism, its a .


OK, so can I go make a men only F1 team, and you can race as long as your male?

I have no problem with a womens racing team BUT it seemed that bike girl was asking anyone that was female and had a bike to race, rather than asking females who are COMPETITIVE RACERS to join... thus why I said the only criteria is that they are female..

However from her latest post it seems they ARE doing testing to make sure whoever is racing is actually competitive and good, which she didn't say at all to start with, if she said that to start with then there probably wouldn't have been any debating.

I don't agree that women can race just because they are women, I don't see it any different to men, if they want to race then they have to be good, end of story.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm about to step away from this thread because of the wank that is being chatted here.

Girls-only novices. That would be me, 43 years of age, hardly a "babe", but predominantly only "not interested" in track days simply because I don't want to be going putt-putt around a track with loads "racy geezers" getting stressed out around me, cos I am not good enough to be racing properly on "their" track days.

I think that plan in itself is a good one.

Bollocks to all you lot who think its not a good idea, this team racing thing. I think its damn good. I just haven't got the bottle to do it, LOL.

And bollocks to those who are giving it grief because of some perceived "sexist" nature. There must be way better things for you to be bleating about than the inherent sexism in a girls racing team, for fuck's sake. Get a grip.

IF I were good enough to be part of a girls' racing team, I wouldn't give a monkeys who was wrenching for it. It would be cool if all the wrenches were girls, but if not, what the hell? If they had a team of blokes wrenching, there's going to be a percentage of the girls racing who would be interested enough in their own bike/s to at least pick up and learn a bit, and until they do start racing, they won't know how much interest they have in wrenching the bikes themselves as well.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YamsR6 wrote:

However from her latest post it seems they ARE doing testing to make sure whoever is racing is actually competitive and good, which she didn't say at all to start with, if she said that to start with then there probably wouldn't have been any debating.


Good point, I didn't notice that. Have adjusted the 1st post accordingly, thanks for the comment - it may help me out!
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this was about Puma drivers.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I blame the Spice Girls.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good girl racer will get coverage without the whole 'look at us we're a girl team' thing. If you have a couple of good girl racers then have a team of girl racers,but if you want to play on being female,which is what you are planning to do in order to get sponsorship,then you'd better make sure you are better than all the male riders in that class or the fact you've used your gender to help you race will turn against you.
Just look at Katja Poensgen in GP's,her bike just wasn't quick enough to compete at top level,but people will think of her as that girl who did badly in 250's,who remembers the names of the male racers she beat?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:

And bollocks to those who are giving it grief because of some perceived "sexist" nature. There must be way better things for you to be bleating about than the inherent sexism in a girls racing team, for fuck's sake. Get a grip.


My initial post was a joke, if anyone didn't realise.

However, as others have pointed out, there is a serious point there.
Women (maybe not the ones organising this) often complain about the sexist attitudes that are holding them back in the world. It doesn't seem to help their cause if they use similar sexism openly to their own benifit.

Personally I do think more women in bike racing would be a good thing, but I suspect genetics is going to be a major factor there somewhere as well. Whether this is a good way or not to do it, at least hope they have fun trying Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Girls-only novices. That would be me, 43 years of age, hardly a "babe", but predominantly only "not interested" in track days simply because I don't want to be going putt-putt around a track with loads "racy geezers" getting stressed out around me, cos I am not good enough to be racing properly on "their" track days.


Erm, lets get one thing straight... racing IS NOT FOR NOVICES. You require a race licence and have completed a race school in order to get that race licence. Hence my earlier suggesting of women only track days then if there are women that are put off by racy geezers... THIS IS NOT SEXIST. It is 100% the same for any male who wants to go racing too.

hellkat wrote:
Bollocks to all you lot who think its not a good idea, this team racing thing. I think its damn good. I just haven't got the bottle to do it, LOL.


It is a good idea for PROPER racers who are female, it is NOT a good idea IMO for any old women to go racing, just because there is an all female class.. In exactly the same way that it'd be a stupid idea for any old bloke to go racing "just because"

If a novice, then do novice track days, if put off by racey geezers, then firstly remember, some men can also be put off by this, some women may not (it depends on the rider!!!! not the gender) and there is where the novice section is used - that's what it's for.

I have to take my annoyance of this on someone Laughing my mate is PMing me every 5 minutes asking me to race, doing my head in Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:22 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YamsR6 wrote:
Erm, lets get one thing straight... racing IS NOT FOR NOVICES. You require a race licence and have completed a race school in order to get that race licence. Hence my earlier suggesting of women only track days then if there are women that are put off by racy geezers... THIS IS NOT SEXIST. It is 100% the same for any male who wants to go racing too.


Just to clarify... the girls' track day has 2 girl sessions. 1 for novices who aren't (necessarily) interested in racing. The other is for racers and potential racers.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone is a potential racer. Do the normal novice, intermediate and fast groups, all the possible racers will be in fast group. And I'm sure it would go down really well if someone organised a male only trackday. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a girl only track day for novices who are intimidated by some of the macho types at a normal track day,is a really good idea. However having a fast group for potential racers,why not just go on a normal track day in the fast group? Any potential female racer will be racing against men anyway so get used to it. You'll probably find inexperienced girls on a track day will be just as intimidated by fast women as fast men.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one shall wish you all the best in what you are trying to achieve with a female team, I look forward to seeing females in race leather. Eyes are peeled.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarification needed again... blimey, this is hard work Laughing

The 3rd session is so we can take a look at the girls who want to race with us. They will be going out with current racers who are watching and guiding. It's a test session for Team Bikegirl in effect, so I don't want it to be a inter/fast group as per a normal track day.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe i should read the posts better,i see what you mean now Embarassed
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YamsR6 wrote:
It is a good idea for PROPER racers who are female, it is NOT a good idea IMO for any old women to go racing, just because there is an all female class.. In exactly the same way that it'd be a stupid idea for any old bloke to go racing "just because"


Oh, okay, so because I'm old and female, and have only been immersed in a biker environment where I haven't been racing, therefore I ought not to consider its something I could get interested in doing? That a racing licence might be something I would be incapable of achieving. I think that was the point her her "novice" class in the three tier system. But thanks to your insinuation and attitude, I don't think i would really bother, if it means I would be socialising with the likes of bumptious upstarts.

But thats EXACTLY why I would have been interested in a novice class - because all that testerone is not for me. If the girls who ARE interested in racing, whether in a team or not, and capable of doing so at normal track days, then well and good. But that means denying anyone who MIGHT feel intimidated by the Tupperware Troupe's macho-bollocks stuff, from doing something they might quite enjoy (i.e., getting to the stage where they might acquire a licence to race in the first place).

I'd probably enjoy it very much even to do one track day, but with attitudes like these, I can't see that I would ever really bother. Give me the other sort of bikers with Attitude any day. I can cope with them Rolling Eyes

I'm not actually interested in racing or in joining any racing team, because I would obviously be inexperienced, but that could be because I have been busy doing other sort of stuff and haven't got round to racing or track days because of the intimidation factor. I might have even bothered to find out about the novice sessions that Bikegirl was on about, but with twattage like this going on, I don't think I'll really fit in. I simply couldnt be bothered with the superiority complex shown by some of you about the whole thing.

I still think its a damn good idea having a girlie racing team. If I thought I could help with OTHER stuff (sourcing kit/sponsors/wrenches) then I might have made an effort. But fuck that if all you get is negativity and some sort of supremacy attitude about who could (be capable of getting a licence to) race and who can't.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YamsR6 wrote:
hellkat wrote:
Girls-only novices.


Erm, lets get one thing straight... racing IS NOT FOR NOVICES.



And what has a girls-only novice group on a trackday got to do with racing? Nothing. Getting your wires crossed a bit here Yams methinks.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:

Oh, okay, so because I'm old and female, and have only been immersed in a biker environment where I haven't been racing, therefore I ought not to consider its something I could get interested in doing? That a racing licence might be something I would be incapable of achieving. I think that was the point her her "novice" class in the three tier system. But thanks to your insinuation and attitude, I don't think i would really bother, if it means I would be socialising with the likes of bumptious upstarts.


I think the point yams was making was that there is a long way between not having done a track day.
Male of female, when you do your first track day even the riders that consider themselves 'fast' usually are quite humbled.
Track riding is very different to road riding; on the track every corner is like that time you overshot the corner on the road and almost went straight on. (Is more fun than that sounds though) To be good you need to push it considerably further than that, every corner and to be pushing the bike to find the limits as you come out of everycorner; to the point you are always about to loose the rear.
A totally different 'skillset' to road riding.

As for trackdays, see if you can find a novice only trackday, where you get three groups of novices so that if you aren't so confident you will be with similar people.
Trackdays are another matter entirely, where if you want to bimble along, it's not a problem. Those that have a problem with this usually are the one's that aren't as fast as they boast they are*.


*Unless it's me in the inters at Cadders in the morning on a rs250.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
YamsR6 wrote:
hellkat wrote:
Girls-only novices.


Erm, lets get one thing straight... racing IS NOT FOR NOVICES.



And what has a girls-only novice group on a trackday got to do with racing? Nothing. Getting your wires crossed a bit here Yams methinks.


Hi, wires have been crossed, I am on about the racing side of things... I was under the impression that bikegirl wanted people to go proper racing in bemsee series, competitively, without neccessarily having any experience.

Bikegirl has only just edited her post and it makes it more understandable, I didn't realise they are running girl only novice groups - I thought she was rallying women up to try to make a competitive race team, and that the only criteria was that the racers were female.

I know what I'm trying to say, just struggling to say it Mad Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So i will be picking you up at some time then Bikegirl? Wink
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly.

Because I know all I do is bimble round London and rarely even go out for long and dangerous rides into the depths of the countryside. So that makes me any less of a biker? Or incapable of getting to a stage where I might acquire a racing licence and get into a girls racing team (not that I would, LOL).

But the fact that I MIGHT be interested in going to a track day with equally as nervous bimblers as myself, or learning how I might acquire a racing licence at all - and yet DO feel intimidated by the likes of all those types who only want to race round very fast and prove what Men they are to everyone else who is racing round very fast - is exactly the reason I'm feeling more than a little peeved by upstarts with a singular line of thought.

Guess I'll check out the Novice Classes for Old Ladies (pardon the expression, I'm not one of those EITHER) and stick to hanging out with men who only feel the need to prove themselves by getting into fisticuffs, rather than the type who think they are some kind of heroes by whizzing round and round racetracks like greyhounds chasing fluffy rabbits.

I like those kind of fellas better. Real men. Real bruises. Real bikes.

Sod this, I'm all crotchety now and its not even PMT week. Little bastards, irritating me with thoughtless remarks, and I was in a SUCH chirpy-bird mood after a nice weekend, too.

You bunch of gits, LOL.

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PostPosted: 22:40 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what annoys me, it's all equal rights blah blah blah blah, yet your basically assuming now that all women are slow and want to bimble.. bendy is 100% right, how will a womens only track day be any different? There will still be fast people, slow people, intermediate people. It is no different whether it's a bloke in front or a woman!

hellkat wrote:
all those types who only want to race round very fast and prove what Men they are to everyone else who is racing round very fast - is exactly the reason I'm feeling more than a little peeved by upstarts with a singular line of thought.


1) There are equally as fast women
2) That's what fast group is for, you will not encounter these riders on the track as you will be in novice group and they will be in fast group.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yams there is another thread for the trackday subject...
This one is about racing. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 23 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YamsR6 wrote:
I didn't realise they are running girl only novice groups - I thought she was rallying women up to try to make a competitive race team


Yup, a couple of things running.
The site is a resource for biking ladies. A ladies track day is a spin off from that.
It's also a platform for the race team. The track day is a spin off from that too.
So effecttively I'm killing 2 birds with 1 stone... as it were. Very Happy

I'm surprised I've been let off the hunks calendar!! Come on, give me your worst Laughing

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