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PostPosted: 11:17 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Building mass and weights etc Reply with quote

Well after 2.5 years of being under a Endocrinologist Consultant and having various tests and procedure. I was finally told today that i have been discharged and everything is functioning as it should.

Now before all this happened i used to be 5ft 9 and about 13 stone and not massive but defo not skinny.

Now today I'm 5ft 11 and hovering just about 9 stone 11 and its just pathetic.

I'd like to obviously build muscle, not be a complete tantastic roid head that you see out round most towns, but back up to 12/13 stone and toned with it.

Now i know you can go to the gym, but working nights the gym is not convenient. So can my goal be achieved by using the weights at home?

Also what protein stuff can i use thats going to help towards putting weight on etc. And links to proper diets etc. I don't do Eggs tho, they are disgusting. The smell makes me gag for a start.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you can do it at home. A half decent set of weights from Argos or somewhere and some regular use of them will do wonders, especially if you do it in concert with some sort of cardio work (which will also help your stamina). No need to go nuts, just do your sessions... motivation and actually working out are as important as how much you lift each time, ime.

Regarding protein, this stuff's quite good:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nutrisport-Protein-Isolate-Chocolate-1000g/dp/B0013G8OMQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1308310031&sr=8-4

A lot of people like the more expensive ones, but I find that they can be a bit chemically and of no great extra benefit for the extra money.

Oh, and fish is good.

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

isnt there some thing going around about how protein is pretty much a waste of time unless you're proper body building because people generally eat a needed amount of protein in there diet and having the extra drink stuff you shit out most of it anyway?

Just pointing it out, sure i read it somewhere, might save you a few quid when you can just add some protein items into meals.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to train at home every other day and once a week go down to the gym. You'd find you pushed that little bit harder in the gym than you did at home. Something to do with paying for it I think but this was years and years go when I was 18. I had built myself up from 9 stone to over 11.5 and then went through a depression and ended up around 8.5.

Shocking but true! Now I'm growing again but in the wrong places. My 6pack has not only been drank but its been refilled with twice the capacity it should hold and my lovely firm chest muscles are now starting to sag. Crying or Very sad

It'd be easy enough to do something about it but I lack the motivation to excersize now.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Re: Building mass and weights etc Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:
Well after 2.5 years of being under a Endocrinologist Consultant and having various tests and procedure. I was finally told today that i have been discharged and everything is functioning as it should.

Now before all this happened i used to be 5ft 9 and about 13 stone and not massive but defo not skinny.

Now today I'm 5ft 11 and hovering just about 9 stone 11 and its just pathetic.

I'd like to obviously build muscle, not be a complete tantastic roid head that you see out round most towns, but back up to 12/13 stone and toned with it.

Now i know you can go to the gym, but working nights the gym is not convenient. So can my goal be achieved by using the weights at home?

Also what protein stuff can i use thats going to help towards putting weight on etc. And links to proper diets etc. I don't do Eggs tho, they are disgusting. The smell makes me gag for a start.


Why an endocrinologist? What did they suspect was wrong with you?

Anyway noseyness aside, you can do ok with weights at home, certianly better than doing nothing, but one element that I found with weights at home is that you may well find yourself putting them off because "they are there and you can do them anytime right?" But the whole act of leaving the house to go to a gym gives you an added incentive to work out and make the most of it while you are there.

See if there are any 24hr gyms in your area, they are literally open 24/7 365. "Pure Gym" I believe is the brand. And they're fooking cheap as well but decently equipped to boot. This way you can go either just before or just after your shift, whichever works best for you.

As for protein intake....bit of a can of worms, but the general consensus across the board is that you should try to get 1.5g/lb of bodyweight daily.... feel free to spend hours/days trawling through every bodybuilding forum for every experts and non-experts opinion on the matter and still come out non the wiser, but if you aim for that then you can't go far wrong. When you want to look like Ronnie Coleman then you can worry about additional protein etc.

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PostPosted: 11:54 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I probably don't get my recommended 2500 calories a day. So that ain't helping. But i do eat three meals a day. But it probably totals up to about 1800 calories.

Like this morning i have had 4 slices of toast and a brew. Two Snickers and two apples at about 10 30 and just finished a Sausage and bacon barm and another piece of fruit.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut that chocolate out for a start.

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PostPosted: 12:07 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you need to sort out a normal diet rather than worrying about weight training and protein shakes.

You might be happy with the way you look if you put on a few stone and all you have to do is eat Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
It sounds like you need to sort out a normal diet rather than worrying about weight training and protein shakes.


I'd definitely sort some diet out..

I eat pizza/curry/nandos/chinese/kfc.. thats about it.

Im 11 stone and 5ft 11, I dont lose weight, I dont gain weight... i just get really really odd body cycles Laughing

I have toyed with the idea of weights and running, far too lazy Rolling Eyes But I should
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO if you want to bulk up, you should keep your sugary food. It's fattening, but you're quite small.

As for bulking up, you may have a fast metabolic rate, so exercise will increase it as well as burn some off...

Count your calories and then change or add to your diet. Diet is the key, but since you want to be bigger, you need to eat a lot as well.

Some want a 6 pack and eat vey little carbs, sugars and fat, but if you wanna be big, then hit a gym, mos open during the day here. Not sure in your area.

Heck even some videos help such as p90x or something.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

L3G3ND_MTX wrote:
isnt there some thing going around about how protein is pretty much a waste of time unless you're proper body building because people generally eat a needed amount of protein in there diet and having the extra drink stuff you shit out most of it anyway?

Just pointing it out, sure i read it somewhere, might save you a few quid when you can just add some protein items into meals.


I think it's certainly true that it won't do anything on its own. It's a waste of money if you're not doing the work, as well.

In my case, it definitely helps with the post-gym/workout recovery. Less achyness and so on the day after. I'm quite careful diet wise, anyway, so it gives me that extra little boost - but I go to a gym 3 times a week. And it's not expensive (although you can pay ridiculous money for the same sort of thing).

But yeah, protein shakes won't help at all if you're not doing the exercise.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
IMO if you want to bulk up, you should keep your sugary food. It's fattening, but you're quite small.

As for bulking up, you may have a fast metabolic rate, so exercise will increase it as well as burn some off...

Count your calories and then change or add to your diet. Diet is the key, but since you want to be bigger, you need to eat a lot as well.

Some want a 6 pack and eat vey little carbs, sugars and fat, but if you wanna be big, then hit a gym, mos open during the day here. Not sure in your area.

Heck even some videos help such as p90x or something.


Wondering what foods to go with and examples of diets. Any ideas? I want to bulk up but stay quite tone. I'm small but what do have is all toned.

And as daft as it sounds, I would like to go to the Gym, but I get really particular with having the feeling people are watching you. And thinking "look at that skinny fucker" went to Total fitness with a mate and thats the feeling i got there.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:
MinhDinh wrote:
IMO if you want to bulk up, you should keep your sugary food. It's fattening, but you're quite small.

As for bulking up, you may have a fast metabolic rate, so exercise will increase it as well as burn some off...

Count your calories and then change or add to your diet. Diet is the key, but since you want to be bigger, you need to eat a lot as well.

Some want a 6 pack and eat vey little carbs, sugars and fat, but if you wanna be big, then hit a gym, mos open during the day here. Not sure in your area.

Heck even some videos help such as p90x or something.


Wondering what foods to go with and examples of diets. Any ideas? I want to bulk up but stay quite tone. I'm small but what do have is all toned.

And as daft as it sounds, I would like to go to the Gym, but I get really particular with having the feeling people are watching you. And thinking "look at that skinny fucker" went to Total fitness with a mate and thats the feeling i got there.


Paranoia is common in gyms for some, and showing off is the other extreme, but talking to the gym owners, or people and getting to know them helps. They will teach you a thing or two, and you won't feel paranoid when they know your situation etc...

Being skinny, it's easier to look toned, than 'big'. Ghostrider goes gym and has a muscular physique, a 'big' look rather than a toned look.

What most big guys do from what I see is less reps, but much heavier stuff. Half of them probably juice or at least inject some kind of thing.

A lot of gyms sell Whey protein etc... and it does help. Fish, meat and Carbs are very good to p-ut on weight and also the carbs fuel you to go on. Carbs turn into sugars so you can add weight. A lot who don't want to get fat or too big, don't drtink fizzy drinks etc... but for your case, it's all about calories and a plan for what you're gonna do in the gym.


To start off with, what do you actually eat now?

Find a gym friend so you don't lose interest and make sure you do the exercises correctly.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lean meats, no processed shit, plenty of fish oil. General opinion is 60/30/20 protein/fat/carb ratio. You're probably already eating in excess of what your daily calorie burnup is anyway so I wouldn't rush into eating more, just get the ratios right and see how you get on. You'll notice beginners gains in the first 2 months or so which will slow off, then is the time to up your calories and train harder to give yourself more of boost mass/strength wise.

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And as daft as it sounds, I would like to go to the Gym, but I get really particular with having the feeling people are watching you. And thinking "look at that skinny fucker" went to Total fitness with a mate and thats the feeling i got there.


Just a beginners thing, trust me no one gives a shit about what you're doing, unless you're racking up 5 plates a side on the bench press and are worth paying attention to. Just crack on with what you're doing and ignore the meatheads/posers. The first day I stepped into a gym it was the midlands powerlifting teams squat and deadlift day, there's mean struggling with 40kg bench presses whilst a bunch of goliaths are squatting some 350kg and screaming like they're entering battle. THAT makes you feel small. Nonetheless, one should persevere.

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PostPosted: 13:49 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend that you check this site out:

https://www.scoobysworkshop.com/
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:

And as daft as it sounds, I would like to go to the Gym, but I get really particular with having the feeling people are watching you. And thinking "look at that skinny fucker" went to Total fitness with a mate and thats the feeling i got there.


I felt the same, you got to ignore them and just think about what your doing for the hour.

Also, if they all see you going there 3 times a week every week, i think they will see that your trying hard.

Talk to people, ask them about exercises they are doing etc. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 13:57 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you actually eat now?

Find a gym friend so you don't lose interest and make sure you do the exercises correctly.[/quote]

I usually have Porridge or 4 slices of Toast for breakfast (only if i get up early)

Lunch, sometimes i don't bother. But when i do it can range from a ham salad or chicken salad buttie from the petrol station or a can of Heinz scotch broth or vegetable soup.

Tea can range from throw in the microwave curry, homecooked curries and other various chicken and meaty meals. But when working its usually something i can lob in the microwave.

Plus shit inbetween meals, like chocolate bars,crisps etc. And i drink diet coke and no added sugar vimto.

I work nights, so 1800 is breakfast time, 0200 is lunch and 2030 when i get home is tea time.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the vast majority of people putting on weight and not increasing body fat is pretty much impossible. You'll be making life very hard for yourself if you try and go down this route, forget about six packs and being "toned".

Have four meals a day, plenty of meat and pasta. Don't scrimp on fruit and veg. Also plain old milk makes a very good supplement, after all its what mammals feed on to grow.

Don't be afraid of calories! Cake is nice...
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bwfc4eva86 wrote:


I work nights, so 1800 is breakfast time, 0200 is lunch and 2030 when i get home is tea time.


26.5hr shift? No wonder you're put off the gym!

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PostPosted: 14:27 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For supplements I would recommend bulk powders, used them a few times now. If anyone can beat there price for flavoured whey I want to know about it.

https://www.bulkpowders.co.uk

I only train at home every other day, alternating muscle groups, just as an amature. Brought a set of iron/plastic weights and bars from ebay for £50, and sold the 2x10kg (that I'm far off using) for £30.

Really trying to get motivated to go running, but it nots happening at the moment.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:
For supplements I would recommend bulk powders, used them a few times now. If anyone can beat there price for flavoured whey I want to know about it.

https://www.bulkpowders.co.uk


Cool, I've been looking for an alternative since Myprotein racked up their prices to more or less match the main brands and their customer service went to absolute fucking shite and their delivery system turned god awful.

How is it taste wise as I'm pretty fussy in that respect? What are their delivery times/methods like?

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PostPosted: 16:49 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always found my protein hurricane good for putting on weight. I started weight training 2.5 years ago at about 9 stone at 16. I’m now 18 and weight about 13 stone 8, over the three years I was using maxi muscle cyclone but that then shot up in price so I changed. I have always eaten well and try to eat a lot of meat and fruit.

In the gym don't worry what people think, everyone has to start somewhere. Just make sure you lift with good form, down slow up fast etc. keeping your breathing in check. If you put the weight up to quickly, you will have awful form with your arms wobbling all over the place. Then people will give you strange looks. So make you start on low weights and get good form before going heavy. Good form will help prevent injuries, you will also get the most out of the exercise.

When I train I try to go exercise which involve a lot of muscle groups like squat, dead lift, and bench press. If you piss about doing bicep curls you won't gain the weight you are looking for. This is a simple and I would say effective 3 times a week routine. Always remember there is no set formula for putting on weight so everybody is different so when you get used to a routine you have to mix it up to shock the body.

For each exercise do 3 warm up sets gradually increasing the weight. Then do three sets of what you can do 10 reps on. When you can do 3 sets of then move the weight up and go for 3 sets of 6, and then 8 and then 10 and repeat.

Monday:
Squat, bench
dead lift

Wednesday:
bent over row
pull ups
standing shoulder press
ab routine

Friday:
squat
bench
dead lift

My other tips would be to get a committed partner then you won't want to let him down and he won't want to let you down. This way you will miss less sessions. Always use correct technique with good form. Warm up properly, and ask if you don't know how!

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