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PostPosted: 21:43 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: 2 stroke oil Reply with quote

hello i am a new member so hi.
i recently went to watch some 2 stroke bikes racing at silvistone,
and they give off a very nice smell,i asked a mechanic at the track
and he said it was castrol r40 that gives that nice smell.
but then i asked someone els there and they said its silkolene pro 2.
im wanting to know what one is it that smells so nice as id like to get some for my kx 100,
i know it will be abit of a wast on a mx bike but i want to maintain my bike as best i can,and also my grandad likes the smell too
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They might have been running race fuel, which tends to smell quite nice when combusted.
To be honest though, any 2 stroke smells pretty good. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

no they were running normal fuel,
i no 2 smokes smell alryt as it is but i just like the nice caster smell but dont no what oil it is i need.
i just want my bike to have that nice smell and be different from all the other 2 stroke mx bikes
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know my freind runs 2 stroke, that smells of strawberrys. Really strong :L I dont know if its just coincidence, or if they are 'flavoured' but have you tried google? I can find out what oil hes using if that helps?

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PostPosted: 22:47 - 21 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

adamcfc wrote:
I know my freind runs 2 stroke, that smells of strawberrys. Really strong :L I dont know if its just coincidence, or if they are 'flavoured' but have you tried google? I can find out what oil hes using if that helps?

Adam,

https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Putoline_TT_Scooter_Strawberry_Scented_2_Stroke_Oil_1_Ltr.-ref-15259-1855-636.html
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been wondering this myself as my 2-stroke doesnt smell like one and I wish it did. Mine doesnt smell of anything or even smoke that much except on start up! Damn modern oils!!!

Bought some expensive 2t oil in halfords- not sure what it was because my oil tank lasts about 500 miles, thought is was Castrol something but it doesnt smell Sad
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

that strawberry stuff looks alryt but it says for injectors and its scooter oil
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castrol TTS doesn't smell as much as some oils do. Usually the really smelly ones are vegetable based oils like Castrol R etc,
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmmm,2 stroke....
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah its castrol r40 iv been told but it says Never mix Castrol R40 with mineral based or synthetic crankcase oils and i dont understand that as the gear box is separate
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

antbliss wrote:
yeah its castrol r40 iv been told but it says Never mix Castrol R40 with mineral based or synthetic crankcase oils and i dont understand that as the gear box is separate


Surely the crank case is where the crank lives, and the 2 stroke oil lubricates that first, then moves up to be combusted.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/2-Stroke_Engine_ani.gif

I'd avoid mixing two stroke oils if you can. Many moons ago some used to react together and form a jelly apparently. Although this is before my time.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

antbliss wrote:
yeah its castrol r40 iv been told but it says Never mix Castrol R40 with mineral based or synthetic crankcase oils and i dont understand that as the gear box is separate


You're probably only supposed to use Castrol R on older two stroke engines... I'm not 100% sure, but on modern 2t's I always use TTS.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

isnt tts a scooter oil?if not are try that
so if i was to use castrol r40 would i have to change my gear box oil?
i wont be mixing 2stroke oils as its pre mix so i just put the oil in with the petrol
but by crankase oil dose it mean gearbox oil as i always thought they were separate thats why the gearbox has gear box oil in and then the petrol has 2 stroke in,
so i carnt see what it means
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

antbliss wrote:
isnt tts a scooter oil?if not are try that
so if i was to use castrol r40 would i have to change my gear box oil?
i wont be mixing 2stroke oils as its pre mix so i just put the oil in with the petrol
but by crankase oil dose it mean gearbox oil as i always thought they were separate thats why the gearbox has gear box oil in and then the petrol has 2 stroke in,
so i carnt see what it means


Pretty much everything you said there is not true.

TTS is a fully synthetic two stroke oil and is good for modern injector two stroke engines with tight tolerances.

Castrol R40 is for classic motorcycle engines and is vegetable based. Looking at their site it can be used as engine oil in old four stroke engines, and it can be used as two stroke oil for pre mix only two stroke engines.

Two stroke motorcycles have gearbox oil and engine oil. The gearbox oil remains in the gearbox and does not go near the 'hot' side of the engine. The best thing to use as gearbox oil is a light gear oil (strangely enough) or 10w40 engine oil.

The engine oil is either mixed with the petrol (in the case of old two strokes and some modern competition two strokes) Or is injected in via the carburettor or directly into the crank case. Either way it travels into the 'hot' side of the engine and is burned.

You could use Castrol R40 in your bike, but it would need decoking more often, and may not work as well as something like TTS which burns cleaner and is designed for more modern engines with tight tolerances.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use Castrol R40 as a gearbox oil, use it in my TZ, that will be why they say don't mix it with other gearbox oil.

Most people I Know use Castrol 747 or XR77 in their fuel, both smell nice.
Another good one is Silkolene pro 2. These are all pre-mix only, put them through an injector system and you WILL f**k it up and probably seize the bike to boot.

The best thing for your mx bike is a fully synthetic race 2 stroke oil,
The reason I use Castol 747 and R40 is because that's what the bikes always had and it has been reliable. A change to something else would mean a very thorough clean out.

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/2-Stroke_Engine_ani.gif

Is it me or is the crank in the above engine running ''backwards''?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didnt know about pre-mix and injector 2 stroke oils? Guess I got lucky running Castrol TTL through it. Why would their still be many premix versions about? My bike was made in 1980 and uses an injector, surely the H100a cant have been at the peak of technology Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piercee100 wrote:
I didnt know about pre-mix and injector 2 stroke oils? Guess I got lucky running Castrol TTL through it. Why would their still be many premix versions about? My bike was made in 1980 and uses an injector, surely the H100a cant have been at the peak of technology Very Happy


Racing oils and oils for older bikes will be premix only. Usually the bottles have PREMIX ONLY written on them. The injector suitable oils have 'Suitable for injector or pre mix' written on them.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piercee100 wrote:
I didnt know about pre-mix and injector 2 stroke oils? Guess I got lucky running Castrol TTL through it. Why would their still be many premix versions about? My bike was made in 1980 and uses an injector, surely the H100a cant have been at the peak of technology Very Happy


The H100A was a lot more advanced than it's Successor, the H100SD. Jawas still ran premix in the 90's, even though my '72 CZ had a posilube oil pump system.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/2-Stroke_Engine_ani.gif

Is it me or is the crank in the above engine running ''backwards''?


Assuming the exhausts don't exit out the back ala reverse cylinder TZR250 then yes. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

well my kx 100 is 1989 so an old bike,
if i run it out of fuel,so theres no old oil left(silkolene comp 2)

then can i mix the correct mix of r40 in with my petrol
and i already use 10w40 as gearbox oil and will continue to use that as its cheap and if i put r40 in as gearbox oil its to expensive
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

antbliss wrote:
well my kx 100 is 1989 so an old bike,
if i run it out of fuel,so theres no old oil left(silkolene comp 2)

then can i mix the correct mix of r40 in with my petrol
and i already use 10w40 as gearbox oil and will continue to use that as its cheap and if i put r40 in as gearbox oil its to expensive


By old I mean pre-injector... 1960s to early 1970s. If yours is liquid cooled then it'll be far too modern for Castrol R.

Haha, 1989 old! I was 9 then! How can that be old?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

well its old for me lol,so if i carnt use castrol r40 what other nice smelling 2 stroke can i use
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

antbliss wrote:
well its old for me lol,so if i carnt use castrol r40 what other nice smelling 2 stroke can i use


Crisp n Dry. Smell like a chippy. Mmmmmmmm.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had a look at 747 and xr77 and they dont sound what i need as it says for multi cylinder engines at as low as 40-1,atm im running 50-1,i was wondering could i get castrol r40 and use along side of my current oil silkolene comp 2 by just adding a cap full of r40 to make it smell nice but still using my normal mix of silkolene
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