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PostPosted: 19:27 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Hey guys... Help me out here? =P Reply with quote

Okay, so with the PC50 being out of action, and things not going as well as they should... I cant afford to piss arse about... I need to get a sensible reliable bike...

My mum is showing signs of willing to help financially to a small degree... but she's concerned about a number of things...

Her points are:

I need a more capable bike than a 50 (Agreed)
I cant cope with running costs of a 600 (Agreed)
I could do with a more common/discreet bike as mine keep getting stolen/vandalised and we believe it may be a personal thing... therefore people will find it harder to tell I ride a common bike, than a "Sore-thumb" of a slow ped...
She also asked if there are any reasonable reccomendations in the <£500 market

Now, she's spotted a rather smart but common looking chinese 125 scooter that she says "Ticks all the boxes" at 450 on an 09 plate... my worry being that spares availability being an issue with it not being a common chinese brand (Pioneer)

Ideally a 250cc is in order here, or a 350cc but not much comes up on the radar.

One thing I did spot is a Honda C90 going locally for £499 with long MOT and tax and this tempts me from a reliability aspect... But my worry is that the PC50 was "Supposed" to be reliable... will the c90 really be THAT indestructable? is it "Me" proof?

Any suggestions or anyone know of anything going?
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

250 Pooperdream

That is all.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's up with a 500 twin like CB, GS ER5? Or even an XJ600?

If ridden sensibly you'll probably get as good mpg as an ancient 250. If there was one going cheap a Hyosung GT250 would be ideal if you still wanted a 250 class, other than that you're looking at really old bikes or overpriced new stuff like CBF250.

Chinese? No, but you knew that already Smile
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just spotted a Honda CB-1 going for the right sorta price... only problem is its over my 33bhp... Be honest... is it worth me restricting it? It's 50-odd as standard.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

my bike is for sale... could probably look at adjusting the price for you Wink Whistle (really need it gone lol, strapped for cash!)

I'd have thought you'd be able to get a 250 or a 400 superdream within the 33bhp limit though? (should be fairly cheap too?)
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tvchimp wrote:
my bike is for sale... Whistle
Not powerful enough... if it's low powered it needs to be weird!
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB-1's are cool. You'll become a hooligan Razz

If you don't restrict it you take the chance on getting pulled or not. If you ride sensibly and aren't unlucky you would get away with it, tho that's your call. Expect a lecture from Teflon Mike as well as your mum Wink You would have to choose your insurer wisely tho, as some are certificate happy.

It uses the same engine as the CBR400 Aero I think, so restrictor dimensions will be the same.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CB-1's are cool. You'll become a hooligan Razz

If you don't restrict it you take the chance on getting pulled or not. If you ride sensibly and aren't unlucky you would get away with it, tho that's your call. Expect a lecture from Teflon Mike as well as your mum Wink You would have to choose your insurer wisely tho, as some are certificate happy.

It uses the same engine as the CBR400 Aero I think, so restrictor dimensions will be the same.


My mums not fussed, she knows =P she's only worried about me gettin pulled lol
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleHonda50 wrote:
Just spotted a Honda CB-1 going for the right sorta price... only problem is its over my 33bhp... Be honest... is it worth me restricting it? It's 50-odd as standard.


I've seen a couple of CB1s that took a frightful amount of abuse and very high mileages and still kept on running. There is one that's now been owned by at least five members of my bike club and it's still going strong.The Jap grey import ones seem to be better than the official UK machines.

The classic choice for the skint commuter always used to be an MZ 2-stroke. They are reliable for a given defenition of reliable in that left standard and ridden with an acceptance of their limitations as a basic, slow commuter bike, they can be relied upon to only break down in ways that are easily and cheaply fixed. So you'll land up chopping plugs, cleaning yack out of the carb and giving it a set of crank seals every so often but it'll get you to work and back cheaply and with satisfactory clouds of blue smoke.

EDIT: I hate suzukis but the GS500 is another cheap as chips, basic commuter bike.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

I've seen a couple of CB1s that took a frightful amount of abuse and very high mileages and still kept on running. There is one that's now been owned by at least five members of my bike club and it's still going strong.The Jap grey import ones seem to be better than the official UK machines.


It'll be the grey import I get... Very Happy But Im a bit worried about this restriction bollocks, cause it seems really expensive to have a bike restricted.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleHonda50 wrote:
It'll be the grey import I get... Very Happy But Im a bit worried about this restriction bollocks, cause it seems really expensive to have a bike restricted.


The official FI cert and washers are ridiculously expensive. All you need is the same washers (which is all the FI kits are) and fit them yourself in the carbs. If you've got the dimensions, then get them made up. You could probably find those via a google search, asking here or 400 grey bike forum.

As has been discussed at length on this forum the FI cert holds no standing in law. An MSPaint mockup written in crayon has as much legal standing as the FI one, though I wouldn't try conning an insurance company with one. A dyno printout showing 33bhp is as good for insurance proof, if they ask.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for a Superdream xD cheap as chips, no restricting and boring as a fart. The 400's are better, but 43bhp :o Try for a CB350SG if you can, bit rarer but cheapy and no need to restrict. 400 bros? 33bhp but can get a bit dear :o
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are going to struggle to find a bike that s 'You' proof....
CB1... nice, ish... but one I'd avoid on the 'common' front, as well as being a four pot. GS500 is more common, as powerful. Cheaper to run, and has less to go wrong! Though I'm sure you'll still find SOMETHING!
But I think, in your shoes, I'd be looking dirt bikes.
Something like a DR350...
You WILL have to spend more money, but, tend to hold value better, and practically, there isn't MUCH more too them than your pedal and pop.... its just whats there is bigger!
AND... you live in Shropshire.... some of the BEST greenlaning in the country RIGHT on your doorstep....... even without venturing into either of the two National Parks within spitting distance and annoying the bobble hatters!
Now, I know I mention it a fair bit..... but... single, dirt bike, air cooled, two stroke, under £500..... I would... I DID.... Yamaha DT175MX
Check e-bay. You can pick up a really good one, for about £800. You get stuff with T&T from £500, and there are plenty of examples, no T&T offered that probably wont take much to get T&T on them.
Great fun, with 17bhp, hardly more than learner legal, I know, but its 33bhp complient, and its a very 'useful' 17bhp, and quite exiting.
Not a long haul bike though..... but then you dont really need one, and its much more comodiouse than a PC50!
They haven't been Learner Legal for thirty years, so roaded versions tend not to have been abused by numpties, like DT125's, or messed with in misguided attempts to de restrict them. Many will have been abused as off road hacks and field bikes though, but.... its an air cooled Yamaha two stroke..... tough as old boot, and so simple! NOT new bike reliability.... just the 'dependability' of really low tech and rugged mechanics.

But, GS500, GPz500, or similar..... you know the 'usual' suspects!
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
I'd be looking dirt bikes.


No no no no no no!

Tut Tut

Anything along those lines is going to be an arsehole magnet, they will come from MILES around to try and steal it.

If your PC50 was a target for the idiots any kind of dirtbike or moto-style bike will be 1000 times worse.

Unless you can keep it in the house, or have a personal armed guard to watch it 24/7 of course? Hurt
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go the dirt bike route I'd invest in the biggest, heaviest chain you can find and the most secure ground anchor, and an alarm of some form, especially as you say you've been targeted by thieves in the past.

I dunno what it's like around your end, but anything remotely offroad looking tends to attract the interest of every trackie wearing scally scrote for miles around here.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:

Tut Tut

Anything along those lines is going to be an arsehole magnet, they will come from MILES around to try and steal it.


Ah I see you live in similar uncivilised parts.

It's grim up North Wink
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for CB-1. Just to elevate the heat of discussion,

https://www.zeyz.de/cb1/cb1.jpg

It's gettin' hot in 'ere, so take off all your clothes. Razz
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB-1s are cool. Plain as day. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much do cb-1s go for nowadays? Theres one at a garage locally, hes asking £1250 Shocked thought twas a bit steep Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:34 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
I'd be looking dirt bikes.


No no no no no no!

Tut Tut

Anything along those lines is going to be an arsehole magnet, they will come from MILES around to try and steal it.

If your PC50 was a target for the idiots any kind of dirtbike or moto-style bike will be 1000 times worse.

Unless you can keep it in the house, or have a personal armed guard to watch it 24/7 of course? Hurt


He lives in Telford... a 'New' town, planed about a hundred and fifty years ago, when all the bludy Saxons had finally chopped down all the wood in the weald to make boats and brackets, and some-one discovered that in this bit of 'no-mans-land' forgotten between England and Wales, they hadn't chopped down a tree in a thousand years, and thought it a good place to experiment with iron making......

Briefly, it was the Forge that helped forge an empire, the metal moving east, in stages, being processed..... Needles in Studley, Chain in Wolverhampton, Locks in Birmingham......

The smoke from all the furnaces molding that metal, making the sky 'Black' such that Queen Victoris, from the coach of her private train, asked "Where are we, this, 'Black' country" and so renamed the district...... though it doesn't explain thier funny accents!

But then, thanks to the notables that created the iron industry, it also declined. Wilkinson, who had started a forge to make gun Barels, and pioneered the moring process to make them more accurately, an aquaintence of Brummie Bolton, offered to make a cylinder for Watt, an emminent scientist Bolton 'sponsored'..... to create the first practicable steam engine...... and no longer needing the water shed off the Snowdonia mountains for power, the heavy metal industry shifted in centre to the North East....... and Shropshire went into decline again.....

Until Maggie T came along and decided to offer 'enterprise initiatives' and Studley moved to Redditch, and to 'trap' any one stupid enough to go there, pioneered a new 'concentric circle' radial town layout, rather than a grid one, with four ring roads, and loads of roundabouts all signed 'Redditch -> All other routes ^... and Telford was vaunted as another new development zone, trying to attract space age industries..... though trying to create a grid or a ring layout accross the valys and between the hills was rather harder..... so the A5 still provides a reasonably good means of escape for the poor unfortunate passer through!

Shropshire, recently has been trying to do some self publicity.... it is curiouse in the property prices in the county are significantly depressed by regional standards... mainly becouse of poor communications..... read bad roads..... and a planned rail link, putting it on a main line to London, and Bristol is hoped to significantly boost the counties fortunes..... Or so my Auntie, looking, after forty years in London, to actually buy her first home, tells me!

Also claiming it boasts one of the lowest crimes rates in on mainland UK......

Yes, dirt bikes attract unwanted attension; but then so do all smaller and cheaper bikes.

And, for where he lives, you HAVE to balence the fact that a bike, as any bike, might get nicked, against ALL that great off-roading he has on his door step!
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it ever arrives, I'm getting a CB400 with an(unfitted) restriction kit that ill be selling as soon as I get the bike.

Not sure if it's worth anything, but if you're in need of one (and it fits the CB1?) then I'd certainly be up for a barter.

+1 on the "cool bikes" comment, but then I would say that Very Happy

Everything I've read suggests they will run and run with a bit of basic maintenance. I hope so... I'm a mechanical idiot Embarassed
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frog wrote:

Everything I've read suggests they will run and run with a bit of basic maintenance. I hope so... I'm a mechanical idiot Embarassed


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PostPosted: 22:59 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
How much do cb-1s go for nowadays? Theres one at a garage locally, hes asking £1250 Shocked thought twas a bit steep Laughing


Dealer prices, and still too dear.

If Ebay was a good gauge, they seem to go for the 600-700 mark, some surprisingly cheaper, some a bit more. Undervalued maybe it's the 1990-ish dates that put people off.

Mike I don't know what Telford is like, the nearest I've been was an encounter with Telford Class War c.1984/5, the height of the Thatcher era and the Miner's strike, and they were a bunch of dickheads AFAICS.

You may think any small bike is a potential target, but you really do have to see what effect off road style bikes have on the excitement level of the "Eyar Yo! Fukkin well sick. Eyar, do a wheelie yo" underclass yoofs. It really goes off the scale compared to anything else. It makes owning one largely untenable in affected areas.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Moo. wrote:
How much do cb-1s go for nowadays? Theres one at a garage locally, hes asking £1250 Shocked thought twas a bit steep Laughing


Dealer prices, and still too dear.

If Ebay was a good gauge, they seem to go for the 600-700 mark, some surprisingly cheaper, some a bit more. Undervalued maybe it's the 1990-ish dates that put people off.


I had to look it up to verify. Shocked

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1989-HONDA-CB-1-/280700245215?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item415b09d4df

Buy them up, repair any cosmetic damage, repackage them as a new cool retro and put 'em back up at 2.5k, or open a dealership, a monopoly on CB-1. Cool Fuck it, ship it to the good ole U.S.A. and hand them out for 10k each. Twisted Evil
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