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Stowelly
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: MOT fail on wheel alignment.... Reply with quote

after recieving this phone call i thought it wouldnt be too bad, just loosen the back wheel and adjust. but the guy said when the bike guy was in he said it looks like it needs more than just an adjustment, the back end looks fine and is lined up with the markers. and after getting a garage to do a quick visual check on it he reckons its something to do with the front. is there any way the front wheel could be not ligned up properly? i.e just move it a bit along the spindle?. the garage wanted an hours labour even to look at it

(bike is an gsxr srad btw)
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

he's probably fobbing you about

check this out:

https://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_250.htm

he probably put the handlebars in alignment and that the front wheel is not pointing straight and then giving it a fail which he can't do.

The other possibly is that the wheel spacers are on the wrong way round on the rear and causing the rear wheel to offset to one side.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
...The other possibly is that the wheel spacers are on the wrong way round on the rear and causing the rear wheel to offset to one side.

...was going to be my suggestion. Thumbs Up
mainly because I had the back wheel off the Bandit recently, and had to double sheck that the spacers and torque bar etc were re-fitted the right way round
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
he's probably fobbing you about

check this out:

https://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_250.htm

he probably put the handlebars in alignment and that the front wheel is not pointing straight and then giving it a fail which he can't do.

The other possibly is that the wheel spacers are on the wrong way round on the rear and causing the rear wheel to offset to one side.


well he showed me there with me sat on the bike that the bar was flush on the left side, and on the right there was quite a big gap, ill give the spacers a go and see if that sorts it
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it been crashed?

Are the forks straight? If the forks were twisted or bent then the wheel could be offset.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Has it been crashed?

Are the forks straight? If the forks were twisted or bent then the wheel could be offset.


not since ive had it...... has some crash damage on the left hand side, forks look ok and arent leaking, dont look bent, and i bought it with no more miles on it than the last mot, so not convinced that its the problem, any easy way to check?


also, how do i know which way is correct for the spacers, not having put them in correctly the first time its clear i dont know which way is right lol
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, is there anyone near horsham that would be willing to take a look at this on the weekend at somepoint in exchange for a few beers / bit of cash ?

cheers (off out now, will check this thread again tomorrow)
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having the rear wheel offset to one side is not an MOT fail.

Look carefully at the next old style Yamaha V-max you see.

EDIT: The markers on rear wheel adjusters are almost totally meaningless.

If the forks have twisted in the yokes, loosen the clamp bolts and dunt the front wheel square into a wall a few times by pushing on the bars. This will square everything up.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No spacers on the front wheel according to the 'fiche, No6 is listed as the spindle nut. Take it the front is the right way round, might be offset one side.

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PostPosted: 14:48 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Look carefully at the next old style Yamaha V-max you see.


How far out is it? I've never been up close to one but will be looking out for it, is it a design feature?
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Having the rear wheel offset to one side is not an MOT fail.

Look carefully at the next old style Yamaha V-max you see.

EDIT: The markers on rear wheel adjusters are almost totally meaningless.

If the forks have twisted in the yokes, loosen the clamp bolts and dunt the front wheel square into a wall a few times by pushing on the bars. This will square everything up.


only applicable to some bikes thou and side cars, but yes some are deliberately offset by design
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:

How far out is it? I've never been up close to one but will be looking out for it, is it a design feature?


About half an inch. When they came out it was pretty much the widest rear tyre fitted to any bike. They couldn't take the drive shaft into the bevelbox without it fouling the tyre so they moved the wheel off to one side.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the front wheel was any real amount out in the forks on an SRAD the brake discs would scrape the calipers. I would check the forks for twist in the yokes following Stinkwheel's advice.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 22 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subframes probably twisted making it look out of line Laughing

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PostPosted: 09:36 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Having the rear wheel offset to one side is not an MOT fail.

Look carefully at the next old style Yamaha V-max you see.

EDIT: The markers on rear wheel adjusters are almost totally meaningless.

If the forks have twisted in the yokes, loosen the clamp bolts and dunt the front wheel square into a wall a few times by pushing on the bars. This will square everything up.


forks dont look twisted, and surely i would notice this when riding it? unless its been lik that since pre me having the bike and have just got used to it! will give this a go though, cheers for that
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Bezzer"]No spacers on the front wheel according to the 'fiche, No6 is listed as the spindle nut. Take it the front is the right way round, might be offset one side.
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quite certain, however, i will double check this, would assume when i took the wheel in to change a tyre that they would have put it round the right way!! but cheers thats another thing to check for!
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long have you had the bike for? Is this the first MoT with you owning it?
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
How long have you had the bike for? Is this the first MoT with you owning it?


had it since august last year, was only a few miles on it since the previous mot when i got it
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be checking the MOT history as well as following advice above.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
I'd be checking the MOT history as well as following advice above.


checked that, not a single advisory since 1998!
doesnt mean it hasnt had a dodgy mot tho
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you've an over zealous MOT tester?
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Or you've an over zealous MOT tester?


wouldn't be as he actually showed him it was in fact out of alignment. Read several post up
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Stowelly"]
Bezzer wrote:
No spacers on the front wheel according to the 'fiche, No6 is listed as the spindle nut. Take it the front is the right way round, might be offset one side.
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quite certain, however, i will double check this, would assume when i took the wheel in to change a tyre that they would have put it round the right way!! but cheers thats another thing to check for!



couldnt locate any markers on my wheel to determine it is the correct way, the tyre is definitly facing the right way though. no idea how i can tell if the wheel is the right way
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
wouldn't be as he actually showed him it was in fact out of alignment. Read several post up


I understand what you're saying, but I'm hard pushed to think of a reason that it's never shown up before and the OP cannot think of a reason that it would be out now. I'm not saying that the problem isn't there, just strange that it pops up now through what would appear to be 'wear and tear'.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 23 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stowelly wrote:
no idea how i can tell if the wheel is the right way


Not sure of GSXR SRADs but many wheel will have an arrow marked on the wheel. The image below suggests it's on the spokes. It's from an eBay advert for an SRAD wheel so not promising it's an exact match.

https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/269/wheelpe.jpg
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