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Toby Stokes
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Parking bikes... Reply with quote

As a motorbike owner, what's the deal with parking regulations?
I've been stopped on areas which need Pay & Display for cars, and the wardens have completely ignored me...is that cos they can't be arsed, or are we exempt?

Sinlge yellows and double yellos...do we get lee-way cos I keep stopping in places I wouldn't stop at if I was driving a car, but I never seem to get any hassle from the wardens...what's the deal?

Can anyone fill me in on the rules?
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought that as long as you park in a designated motorcycle parking bay in a pay & display car park, it's free. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

aint gotta clue mate i alwy's go on the pavement outside the shop lol got a ticked tho once.
Yer they have weird rules for parking now!
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annoyingly, Different councils have different rules. I can park in Residents Bays in Fulham and in Wandsworth without getting a ticket, but I cannot do so in K&C or Westminster. (Could it be that Westminster parking attendants are wellknown for being wankers) . . . but READ every single sign before you park up and leave your bike for an indefinite period.

I was forced by an attendant in Camden to put a pay and display sticker on my bike, despite the fact that it would most likely have been stolen the minute I walked off into the market Rolling Eyes

You can't park on redroutes at all (although I have been known to do so just to nick into the shops for a pint of milk or something) ... or double yellows, and single yellows are questionable, although they usually let you get away with it (unless you get captured in a queue at the bank of course)

And READ the bus lane times on the signs. Some you can go in occasionally, some have motorbike symbols on them so you can use them all the time, and some you are not allowed in AT ALL.

Rule of thumb: Never trust a parking attendant.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So true about those parking attendants.

So, "free parking" on motorcycle bays only applies to certain councils?

Pay and Display is a weird one obviously, its just I've walked past so many bikes that have no sticker on them, but still heard stories about bikers getting ticketed, but how can you put a sticker on when you know some pikey bugger will just sharp off with it...you're doomed to be busted for no reason...
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, motorcycle bays are all free (currently) - provided you can actually get in them Rolling Eyes theres usually more peds than "proper" bikes in them these days, but thats the effect of the Congestion Charge for you!

But its the residents bays and other parking type bays (cos not all councils have "enough" motorbike bays) that have different rules at different councils.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby Stokes wrote:
but how can you put a sticker on when you know some pikey bugger will just sharp off with it...you're doomed to be busted for no reason...


Correct.

Bloody nuisance it is, too.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news about those bays.

By the way, that congestion charge thing applies to bikes up to 125 or all bikes?
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always buy a ticket myself. Even when parking in designated bike bays I find it much easier to pay the 80p or so. If you're worried about the ticket being stolen, keep it on you. If you get a ticket just send off the form with the ticket saying that it fell down behind the clocks or something. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Komp wrote:
aint gotta clue mate i alwy's go on the pavement outside the shop lol got a ticked tho once.
Yer they have weird rules for parking now!


The pavement is still considered (for the purposes of legal ticketing) as a "public highway". The story about parking on the very frontage of a shop doesn't always hold sway, you would practically have to have written permission from the owner, and even then, those little glass bits sunk into the pavement do not give any sort of boundary as to which is "privately owned" pavement and which is public highway. The owner of the shop does not own the pavement.

You can be ticketed not only for incorrect parking but also for riding on the pavement.

The wardens have NO mercy. Rumour has it they have a "sweepstake" where the one who gets the most nicks gets a brand new car at bonus-time (but that may just be an urban myth put about by frustrated couriers, LOL).

And the old story about covering up your number plate with a plastic bag doesn't work either. They can radio in and get your registration number from the frame number, and STILL give you a ticket.

Never never never never never trust a parking attendant.

Ever.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

When parking in places where I know I have to pay, I tear the ticket in half (top to bottom), stick half on the bike, and keep the other half with me. If the attendant queries this on my return I show him the other half and explain the 'Getting it nicked issue', and if the half on the bike gets nicked (unlikely, what use is half a ticket?), at least I have the other half to back up my story. I read this years ago, can't remember where, but I've not had any problems with it.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby Stokes wrote:
Good news about those bays.

By the way, that congestion charge thing applies to bikes up to 125 or all bikes?


Currently (!) . . .

. . . all bikes are exempt from the congestion charge.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're in a pay & display, look on the machine, it might tell you if bikes are free - the ones near my work do anyway.

It's no urban myth about Westminster wardens and their sweepstake, that's 100% true. I used to live there and was issued with 19 parking tickets because they were too stupid to grasp the concept that a motorbike could have a resident's parking permit. Rolling Eyes

I also saw one ticketing a CG that was parked at the end of a bike bay and had been knocked over so part of it was now outside the bay.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking the bike into York is very useful with all the tourist traffic around. Motorcycle parking in the car parks in York used to be free. I'm not sure if it still is. Then signs appeared with motorcycle charges and little bays for locking the bike into. Trouble is these always appear not working to me. So I think you have to pay if you use one of the locks. I think the ticket comes in 2 parts for bikes, one for you, one for the bike so you can prove you've payed if the bike one gets taken. Not really sure what happens if you don't use the locks. I park on the raised bit where they put the lights so I'm not taking up a parking slot and I've a nice post to chain the bike to.

Not really sure what other councils do. Most are bike friendly. In Hull it's free in marked bike bays with nice bars to chain the bike to Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never bother paying for parking, if I see a designated area for motorcycles I'll pop it in there, put my disc lock on and away I go.

As for double yellows, thats a no, no. I was down Lyme regis last week and there was a moped on double yellows and it had a letter wrapped around the throttle in elastic bands. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be safe I'd get a ticket but keep it in my pocket just in case. I don't see the point of paying £25.00 for the sake of 50p.

I got a ticket for parking outside the lines of a parking space in Crewe once in my car. I didn't pay it as its not my fault the spaces are yoo small Embarassed
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wondered is it legal to park on a pavement if there is no obstruction to the actual pathway eg on a bit slightly wider next to a building?
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fazed wrote:
I always wondered is it legal to park on a pavement if there is no obstruction to the actual pathway eg on a bit slightly wider next to a building?


If the road is controlled by yellow lines then those lines will apply to the footpath as well as the carriageway, therefore ytou could get done, however if it is free of parking restrictions and there is no obstruction caused when you park, then in most cases it will not be a problem.

Many of the parking restrictions around the country are illegal in themselves, and if you do get a ticket, then it is always worth a visit to your local library and check the local traffic orders.

The traffic orders explain exactly what must be in place, for example where the lines start and finish, distances, the types of line and signs and when the restrictions apply from and to when. There must be 2 inches between the lines (double) and they cannot be hand painted and they must be unbroken lines, and every line must have a termination line at the end of the restriction. Likewise the signs must be easily visible and at an appropriate height, and they must be appropriate to the traffic order. Any variation from the traffic order invalidates the restriction and any ticket issued subsequently is illegal.

Most restrictions come unstuck on the distance. For example it will say that "A complete prohibition of parking will commence at a point 2 metres south of its junction of XXXXXX and terminate at a point 5 metres north of its junction with XXXXXXX!

Now, if this distance is only a few centimetres out (the distance is measured from the middle of the junction) then it throws the whole order out and invalidates it.

So, if a parking ticket is issued, the check the local traffic order, the chances are that the application of the order is illegal and therefore your ticket would have to be struck off!
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether or not this is absolutely true I wouldn't like to say, BUT if you place a cover over your bike, the warden cannot under any circumstances remove it in case they damage your bike.

So if they can't read a number plate or tax disc, how can they issue a ticket.......
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was also the issue of yellow lines not being finished with a T-bar. Without the bar at either end, the line isn't valid and therefore the ticket should be squashed.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minky_monkey wrote:
Whether or not this is absolutely true I wouldn't like to say, BUT if you place a cover over your bike, the warden cannot under any circumstances remove it in case they damage your bike.

So if they can't read a number plate or tax disc, how can they issue a ticket.......


They now have the powers to lift bike covers Confused Sowwy...
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Minky_monkey wrote:
Whether or not this is absolutely true I wouldn't like to say, BUT if you place a cover over your bike, the warden cannot under any circumstances remove it in case they damage your bike.

So if they can't read a number plate or tax disc, how can they issue a ticket.......


They now have the powers to lift bike covers Confused Sowwy...



Bumcheeks! Sad Laughing

What would happen though, if it was one that was locked at the base, and they couldn't physically lift it up without cutting the lock off?
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minky_monkey wrote:
Whether or not this is absolutely true I wouldn't like to say, BUT if you place a cover over your bike, the warden cannot under any circumstances remove it in case they damage your bike.

So if they can't read a number plate or tax disc, how can they issue a ticket.......


That has always been a myth and a load of cobblers!
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:

That has always been a myth and a load of cobblers!


Perhaps legally, but it certainly used to work for me.

After an attempted theft on my bike, I wanted to chain it to the railings outside my flat, which meant parking on the pavement. I knew it was illegal so I called the Westminster parking helpline to ask what was likely to happen if I did it - the guy on the phone said "you'll just get a ticket, we can't clamp bikes and if it's chained up we can't move it"

"So what if it's covered so they can't see the plate?" I asked.

"You'll get away with it."

And he was right, I did for months. Even though the traffic wardens along there must have hated me (and had given me loads of tickets for being legally parked on the road) I never got one while I was on the pavement. Though I did scout around before removing the cover and make sure there were none watching, cos I could imagine them running over to ticket me while I was unlocking with my numberplate in full view. Laughing


Another fun thing my buddies in Westminster did was this. One day I was late for work so instead of putting my chains inside like I normally did, I just left them round the lamppost. I returned to find them tightly bound up with Westminster City Council official cable ties.

Aah, just thinking about all this has made me feel so glad I moved. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 25 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also used the same tactic as Bendy when parking next to the railings on the pavement, so it used to work Thumbs Up
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