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Gazz
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Copper-piping - How robust is it? Reply with quote

I am working on a wee project car at the moment and have some plumbing work that needs done.

This is a budget build and so I am using any scrap that I can find lying around.

What I was wondering was how robust is copper pipe? The type of stuff that you usually find under your sink that water flows through.



Would fuel (petrol) be able to flow through this stuff or would it corrode it ?

What about coolant flowing through it as well ?



Just needing it to join up some hoses, so would only be a wee bit that would be needed.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

would be fine just make sut it cant rattle aganst anything
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Copper-piping - How robust is it? Reply with quote

Gazz wrote:
I am working on a wee project car at the moment and have some plumbing work that needs done.

This is a budget build and so I am using any scrap that I can find lying around.

What I was wondering was how robust is copper pipe? The type of stuff that you usually find under your sink that water flows through.



Would fuel (petrol) be able to flow through this stuff or would it corrode it ?

What about coolant flowing through it as well ?



Just needing it to join up some hoses, so would only be a wee bit that would be needed.



Copper wouldn't corrode with coolant or fuel in it. Copper is used as heating pipes with plain fresh water for a start, goes a bit green when oxidised but it doesn't build up in thick layers like iron rust so shouldn't flake off and clog cooling channels. Coolant also has lots of corrosion inhibitors which may help. Brass is a copper based alloy and corrodes at a similar degree to copper - brass is used extensively within fuel systems (carb jets etc).

Without attempting to abuse my overworked brain there may possibly be some sort of galvanic corrosion effect that could occur in the coolant electrolyte due to the copper and aluminium combination (i.e. dissimilar metals) however my inorganic chemistry is a little out of practice.

Copper is also rigid and not very strong, I'd be more worried knocks/bumbs weakening it and the joints than the metal corroding.

I'd probably just use it but can't you just salvage some flexible pipes from a scrap yard?
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soldered joints crack with vibration and time, I'd be inclined to use compression fittings.

It's my understanding that copper pipe is used for brake lines amongst other things. I would think it's fine for fuel and coolant too.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copper pipes have been used on classic bikes and cars for years, fine for petrol/oil/brake fluid etc. Use compression fittings as mentioned above.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

copper pipe is fine with 100psi+ pressures and as for dissimilar metals you'll find central heating system have cast iron, aluminium and steel in them ( rads, heat exchangers etc) but do use anti freeze as plain water makes oxide which will drop any cooling systems efficiency .... just like all cars and bikes do.

joints are the only long term question if the pipes can move about much as far as i can see.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen a rear luggage rack made from copper pipe joined together with 90 degree yorkshire joints. Used to come to the Dragon rally every year.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the advice guys.

Looks like the stuff that I have got will indeed be up to the job, just thought I'd make sure before fitting the parts first.

Cheers,

I will let you know how I get on once I have made a little more progress with the build.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, if you solder it, make sure you remove the flux afterwards.

The ceiling just came down in my downstairs due to flux-rotted copper pipe.

Happily, not my house so not my problem (other than the soggy plaster all over my stuff but not too much that can't be hosed down in there).
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 07 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know about for fuel but I have used copper pipe off the back of the van to make running repairs to water hoses on a transit tipper, ended up leaving it on there permanently and even selling it with it.

Worked a treat.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 07 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Also, if you solder it, make sure you remove the flux afterwards.

The ceiling just came down in my downstairs due to flux-rotted copper pipe.


To be honest, I'd suspect a dry joint (much more common with the modern lead-free solder) over problems caused by the flux.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 07 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

njd27 wrote:

To be honest, I'd suspect a dry joint (much more common with the modern lead-free solder) over problems caused by the flux.


No. The whole pipe is rotted to the point where it's become porus and started seeping water through the sides of the pipe over a six foot length, not just at the joint. You could crumble the bit the plumber took out between your finger and thumb. Whole house needs replumbing but I'm moving out of there in a month so it's not my problem.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have made an exhaust from it,so yea it should be fine. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not use copper for a exhaust as the gasses that will be given off are highly toxic and extremely dangerous and it is also a mot failure
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Also, if you solder it, make sure you remove the flux afterwards.

The ceiling just came down in my downstairs due to flux-rotted copper pipe.

Happily, not my house so not my problem (other than the soggy plaster all over my stuff but not too much that can't be hosed down in there).


A lot of plumbers use self cleaning flux which is actually a mild acid and if not cleaned off will continue to eat into pipe and eventually eat through it
As long as you are not using the pipes for drinking water you can still use leaded solder which is a lot less brittle than unleaded.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitty kat wrote:
Do not use copper for a exhaust as the gasses that will be given off are highly toxic and extremely dangerous and it is also a mot failure


Hadn't seen this before and I am quite intrigued considering copper is used in the gaskets of most exhaust systems.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
kitty kat wrote:
Do not use copper for a exhaust as the gasses that will be given off are highly toxic and extremely dangerous and it is also a mot failure


Hadn't seen this before and I am quite intrigued considering copper is used in the gaskets of most exhaust systems.


apparently some fuel additives can cause slow rate reactions with large amounts of copper.... or so say Shell...
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copper exhaust an MOT failiure? On what grounds?
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only problems I can see with using copper for an exhaust would be accelerated corrosion with the acidic exhaust gases and cold work hardening introducing weak points. I guess there is a limited risk of copper sulphate gas being breathed in but its no more a risk than the carbon monoxide.

Nothing suggests that it would fail the MOT?

OP, I've used copper pipe to join rubber pipes for years. Works really well.
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