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hazza
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PostPosted: 06:45 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Ducati reliability? Reply with quote

So ive seen a ducati monster 600m (2002) going for a grand. Its a cat D repaired in 2006 and has been in use since, so im presuming it should be okay? Anyway what are they like reliability wise? Id be using it for teh commute to work everyday so id need something that will start in the morning when i do. Its one of the older carb'd bikes. The dark version.

Any thoughts?

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PostPosted: 07:11 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Ducati reliability? Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
So ive seen a ducati monster 600m (2002) going for a grand. Its a cat D repaired in 2006 and has been in use since, so im presuming it should be okay? Anyway what are they like reliability wise? Id be using it for teh commute to work everyday so id need something that will start in the morning when i do. Its one of the older carb'd bikes. The dark version.

Any thoughts?

Ta.

Harry



6,000 mile service intervals (including valve clearances) along with 12k cam belt changes. S4 and S4R models are a tad more expensive to service IIRC, if you go anywhere near a ducati dealer you might as well take your wife and kids with you as a deposit.

Will you be servicing it yourself or paying a garage?

If you can do the work yourself it might make sense, if you are paying a garage then it probably doesn't. Considering performance wise they are almost on par with an SV650 and would get spanked by an IL4 600 my money would go elsewhere. Can pick up a hornet/fazer for near on a grand that is faster, has longer service intervals, cheaper to own, more reliable and better all round bikes and there are models with the half fairing if you want wind protection on your commute.

I am not a fan of kudos badges though, if the ducati brand does something for you then it wouldn't be the worst way to spend your hard earned and the price does seem low. The Cat D wouldn't bother me in the slightest either so long as it was priced to reflect it.


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PostPosted: 07:31 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

IL4's do nothing for me. The Ducati name also does nothing for me, but the sound of an Air-cooled v twin and exposed trellis frame does!
I think the v twin would suit me, as im not into absolute top end performance, i much prefer the sensation of low down power/torque rather than a high revving engine with lots of gear change work.

Obviously with the reputation for poor reliability i was just a bit concerned as to wether it is horribly flawed and unreliable. Also with regards to the SV, ive heard the finish on them isnt too good?\

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*edit* Ive never done valve clearances, but 'how hard can it be' on an air cooled simple v twin? And the rest im happy to do i.e oil and filters air filters etc.
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not sure a monster 600 would keep an SV650 in sight.

I havent had a Ducati personally but a few pals have. No serious problems with them, but they did maintain them properly.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I repaired one over last winter although it was a bit older than the one you are looking at. Mine had done 32k and needed the valves looking at and quite a few other things (it had been neglected though).

Valve clearances aren't that hard but can be quite expensive and time consuming because there are two different types of shim per valve. They are fairly expensive shims too and the closing shim is a pig to measure accurately unless you have the right gear.

Timing belts are easy to do yourself and should be done at a max interval of 2yrs.

Performance is nothing to write home about but they handle really well because they're so light. Have a lovely sound to them too, although they sound broken at tickover Smile
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

few interesting vids from this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vzPZ84ZRjU
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not quick, I raced one. 50bhp is your lot really for a 583.

Really simple engines though and I'd own another.

Won't keep up with an SV650, well ridden it may do. Here's my old one on track, camera is on a ZX10R https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clx7cMO-V9M
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its done 26 thou, and has some ducati service history, its just cosmetically neglected. Speed isnt really an issue, id just like something faster than the 250 i currently ride. Its fine for what i use it for, but long rides two up it isnt really ideal!

Ive just read your resto thread GeneralXception, it looked great when you'd done!

whats the MPG like on them?

Thanks for all the help, much appreciated!
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine wasn't mechanically noisey at all. Wet clutch on these ones remember.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my second Monster now and love em! I think the m600 were known to be noisy because of piston slap, why not pay a little more and go for an FI model or a 900?

Head over to ukmonster.co.uk there's loads of info there Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ducati Monsters give me the horn, so I would say go for it. They're my dream bike (any size don't care about speed just WANTONE). But I'd get all school-child-giddy if I could actually afford one and wouldn't bother stopping to think if it's reliable or cheap to run.

Which may or may not go towards answering your questions..
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why not pay a little more and go for an FI model or a 900?

money s tight at the moment, actually money isnt, but the mrs is, i dont mind being under the thumb its the easiest place to be Laughing

surprisingly insurance is rather cheap, less than 400 quid with zero no claims at 22 in a shit area is fine by me Smile

Reliability is important to me because after september it would be my only form of transport because we cant afford to insure two cars and pay the mortgage, i suppose economy on a 14 miles daily commute is almost irrellavent now.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
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why not pay a little more and go for an FI model or a 900?

money s tight at the moment, actually money isnt, but the mrs is, i dont mind being under the thumb its the easiest place to be Laughing

surprisingly insurance is rather cheap, less than 400 quid with zero no claims at 22 in a shit area is fine by me Smile

Reliability is important to me because after september it would be my only form of transport because we cant afford to insure two cars and pay the mortgage, i suppose economy on a 14 miles daily commute is almost irrellavent now.



I wouldn't fancy an ageing budget ducati as my only form of transport...

Also, you know it produces pretty much the same amount of power and torque as a CB500 right?

If I wanted a slow twin I'd get the honda, at least it'd make it to work each day, would cost less to own and isn't a pretentious girls bike Smile .
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wouldn't fancy an ageing budget ducati as my only form of transport...

Also, you know it produces pretty much the same amount of power and torque as a CB500 right?

If I wanted a slow twin I'd get the honda, at least it'd make it to work each day, would cost less to own and isn't a pretentious girls bike .


I dont think the performance of it would be an issue, the biggest bike ive ever rode for any period of time was an ER-5 and that was plenty fast for my needs. I just want something with cruising ability, unlike my 250 which is great to filter on but i cant help but think cruising at 70 is too much for it.

If funds would allow the 250 would be great for work and i could have another bike for play, but money just does not stretch that far.

The honda/kwak's are just boring, boring bikes to look at and very dated. Although the duke is an old design it seems pretty timeless!

Anyone know what the main failures of them are? ive heard electrical but does this stretch to the entire system? or just lights and indicators?

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PostPosted: 12:54 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
Ive just read your resto thread GeneralXception, it looked great when you'd done!

Cheers mate Thumbs Up I really enjoyed that project, the bike was really fun to ride albeit not the fastest thing out there but I had other stuff in the garage that fitted that bill Twisted Evil

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Anyone know what the main failures of them are? ive heard electrical but does this stretch to the entire system? or just lights and indicators?

The connectors between the alternator wires and the rectifier/regulator can become corroded and the additional load because of the corrosion can cause them to melt. The connector is on the lhs towards the headstock, just give the connector and the wires the once over.

Rectifiers can die and then start overcharging the battery. If the battery is a sealed unit that can kill the battery, it if's the type that you have to top up it can boil it and if the battery pipe isn't connected you'll have acid all over the crank case and engine covers = mess. Or what sometimes happens is that the pipe is blocked and the caps pop off the battery Laughing

Sticking with the electrics, I've heard a few cases where the alternator rotor (the magnetic bit that spins) has come free, thus royally fudging itself up, the thread on the end of the crank gets totalled along with the stator wires and sometimes the alternator engine case.

I'd still have another Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a 620ie for sale for £1700 ono https://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=41770
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