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swiftb
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: keeping it legal and all that - insurance Reply with quote

I may be going to pick up a bike tomorrow. My current insurance policy is a single bike policy only and they cant change it to multibike.
The bike has tax and test and is still insured by the current owner. Im allowed to ride other bikes on my policy.
So technically what is the law regarding being insured on this bike? Theres no v5 for the bike just the new keepers slip as its a recent part ex, so nothing to sign the bike over to me other than a receipt - (its private salet btw) So can i legally ride this home as long as the seller is still insured or do i need my own policy as technically at that point im the new owner - - - - or am i until i recieve a v5 in my name????? Confused
I dont want to take out insurance as id have to set out a seperate policy with 0 no claims and pay over the odds, id rather wait till my current policy expires then get a multi bike.

On the other hand - if i were to take out a policy, i believe you have 14 days to cancel your policy?? Would i lose much money doing this? say i insured on the day and rang up and cancelled the following day (or monday if there shut) what charges would i get raped with??

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PostPosted: 20:13 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a place today that hires vans by the hour. Was £8.95p/h so would be loads cheaper than taking out insurance and cancelling as you dont get a huge chunk of what you have paid back.

Providing you or someone you know can drive of course.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As soon as the cash changes hands you own the bike so you won't be insured on your current policy.

Look at short-term insurance, there's a thread on here from just a couple of days ago with some useful links.

Or maybe get a mate with 3rd party to ride other bikes to ride it home for you. Or, as Carlos said, get a van or a trailer.

Chances of you getting pulled are probably pretty slim, but at the same time if you do then you've lost the bike. Your risk to decide!
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've rode all my bikes, and drove all my cars home un-insured.

I've insured them from the moment I've got home though.


I dont usually bother with 2 trips. If I go to view a bike, and I want it, I'll buy it there and then. None of this "leaving deposit, picking up next week" etc.





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PostPosted: 21:25 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get a 1 day temp policy, it'll cost you ten to twenty but thats way cheaper than the minimum 6 points and £200 fine for no insurance.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
Just get a 1 day temp policy, it'll cost you ten to twenty but thats way cheaper than the minimum 6 points and £200 fine for no insurance.


who does these? or will my own insurance be able to offer something like this? Thumbs Up I have a mate with a van but its hassling him and getting the fecker in the van aswell - its a odd layout inside so not easy to get a bike in.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is Ebikes month policy which I have found is just as cheap as a 1 dayer. Take it out ride for a month then cancel.

https://quote.ebikeinsurance.co.uk/PayAsYouGoBikeInsurance.aspx

Or DayInsure

https://www.dayinsure.com/motorbikeInsurance.aspx

You could try your own insurance or tell them your bike is in the garage and you need to cover a coutesy bike.........nah just go with the temp policy as mates are too unreliable.
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swiftb
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
This is Ebikes month policy which I have found is just as cheap as a 1 dayer. Take it out ride for a month then cancel.

https://quote.ebikeinsurance.co.uk/PayAsYouGoBikeInsurance.aspx

Or DayInsure

https://www.dayinsure.com/motorbikeInsurance.aspx

You could try your own insurance or tell them your bike is in the garage and you need to cover a coutesy bike.........nah just go with the temp policy as mates are too unreliable.


cool il look into that - by the time i hire a van with fuel etc prob talkin 50 quid plus the hassle to get it in, for £20-£25 the on day sounds a good option, plus i can give it a good blast out when i get it home Surprised Il see what my insurance say tommorow Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 08 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

£22.99 for a day, £44.00 for a month Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could chance riding it home but in the unlikely event that you get stopped and quizzed by a copper who is on the ball, he will figure out exactly what is going on and you'll end up with the bike being impounded (£150 release fee), plus you'll get a £200 fine and six points on your licence and have to declare the 'no insurance' conviction for the next five years on your insurance renewals.

So you could get a mate to ride it, get the man with the van to fetch it, get a days insurance or if the guy who is selling it is fully road legal to ride it, why don't you do a deal with him where by once you have bought it, get him to ride it over to your house, then you can take him back home and everything is fine and dandy, all legal and covered.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah, I've always ridden home under my policy, it won't flag up as under your name until the DVLA get the V5.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
As soon as the cash changes hands you own the bike so you won't be insured on your current policy.


Not quite... you are not buying a packet of cigs or something like that...
Buying a bike require a transfer of ownership! the only place that can do that is DVLA...

Technically, when you hand over the cash, receipt or not, you are not yet the owner of that bike...

In same European county the transfer of ownership is done by a notary(or however is called) with a proper deed signed by a witness!
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

phonesurgeon wrote:
Not quite... you are not buying a packet of cigs or something like that...
Buying a bike require a transfer of ownership! the only place that can do that is DVLA...


Nonsense. It's exactly like buying anything else. You pay the price, you get the receipt. It's yours.

I don't know whether you've looked at your V5 recently, but states in large block capital letters right at the top of the document:

THIS IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP.
It shows who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle.


Registration and tax is all the DVLA care about. They don't want to get tangled up in ownership disputes, and nor should they.

However, it is the only indication the police have and so if you've just bought a bike and it's still registered in someone else's name, it's plausible that you don't own it and are therefore covered 3rd party.

You should also check whether the seller still has a valid policy, as your 3rd party cover is likely to stipulate that the vehicle must be otherwise insured in order for your 3rd party cover to be valid.

Personally, I'd suggest that you agree with the seller to post date the receipt by one day, and say, 'it's still yours until tomorrow'. In the very unlikely event that you were stopped by the Police, you can give them the seller's contact details to check, and they will say that you're on a test ride having left security, but no sale has been completed.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

But then why would the seller want to risk an unhonourable seller getting points on his licence, I'm not saying you would but if you got flashed etc then you have proof with the modified reciept that it wasn't you riding. I certainly wouldn't do that if I was selling a bike.

As soon as the cash changes hands then it belongs to you and will not be covered by your own insurance. For the £20 it's not worth taking on the if's, but's and maybe's.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
But then why would the seller want to risk an unhonourable seller getting points on his licence, I'm not saying you would but if you got flashed etc then you have proof with the modified reciept that it wasn't you riding. I certainly wouldn't do that if I was selling a bike.


The seller just completes the form saying it was you riding, as they would if you were on a test ride. That's their responsibility done. Neither ownership nor registration have any bearing on riding penalties.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
Livefast123 wrote:
But then why would the seller want to risk an unhonourable seller getting points on his licence, I'm not saying you would but if you got flashed etc then you have proof with the modified reciept that it wasn't you riding. I certainly wouldn't do that if I was selling a bike.


The seller just completes the form saying it was you riding, as they would if you were on a test ride. That's their responsibility done. Neither ownership nor registration have any bearing on riding penalties.


If I was the seller then I wouldn't mess around with dodgy dates on receipts/forms, as far as I would be concerned once the buyer has paid the money the bike is his and becomes his responsibility from that point onwards. Any fines, insurance comebacks etc are the buyers problem and as the seller I would not be getting embroiled in any scams regarding the buyers responsibilty in getting the bike home legally and correctly.
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