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PostPosted: 20:07 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Who can nick you?? Reply with quote

Hi all, was travelling down the A13 today doing 60mph in a 50mph, when a police van came along side me from the slip road, and it got me thinking if they have the right to pull you over for speeding or is it just police cars that can?

Also always wonder about other emergancy vehicles, if they can radio in that your doing sank you shouldn't?

So does anyone know if any of these, of the list can get u nicked?
1:Ambulance
2:Fire Engine
3:Police riot van
4:Police van (transit) marked up
5:White van, with a blue square badge on the side saying metropolitan police.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was the van speeding as well then? Nothing can "nick" you if it doesn't have the right equipment on board. A dog van, for example, can stop you and have a word if you go past it at 120mph and one fo the morons in the back seat waves at the copper driving (he even said he wouldn't have done anything if the fat tosser in the back seat hadn't smiled and waved), but they can't nick you, they've got no evidence.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh the meat wagon was speeding as well.

I don't suppose using "nick you" was'nt the correct phrase, getting you pulled was what i was aiming at.

Just always feel abit edgy when going past any of the said vehicles if speeding
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any marked police vehicle can pull you except for community support officers (who cannot do traffic stops).

I've been stopped by a dog car for a bollocking before. Just did the yes sir no sir routine and went on my way.

Ambulance and Fire engines can't nick you as far as I know. Never had one even bother with me.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once got stopped by two paddy wagons. One was behind me, and the other screeched in front of me diagonally like summat out of Starsky and Hutch. I was only doing 30 in a suburban road.

Apparently I had a brake light out...

Was nearly 20 years ago now, and I was a bit young and naive, would probably be a lot more gobby about it now to be honest.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a keen ambulance chaser I can inform you they don't do shiiiiit. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any marked police vehicle can stop you and report you for speeding with the exception as mentioned the Community plod who have no authority at all.

If it is any vehicle other than a traffic car, then the speedometer must be checked against a callibrated speedo or stop watch over the measured mile as soon as practicable after the event and the details of how, where and when the check was done entered into evidence.

Any discrepancies in the accuracy of the speedo would result in the prosecution being quashed, and for this reason it is therefore unlikely that a FPN would be issued but a summons for a court appearance.

Additionally a copper in plain clothes cannot do a traffic stop, but a uniformed copper in a plain car can.

Ambulance, Fire and Highways Traffic Bods also have no authority.

In most cases if non traffic do a speed check, then it usually just results in a bollocking as they can't be bothered to do the speedo check or the paperwork.

If the speed check is done aginst the speedo, then it has to be done over 3/10 of a mile on main roads or 1 mile on a motorway
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The white combo vans with the met police blue square on the side are used for things like forensic's people, I'm not certain, but I wouldn't think you would get tugged by one of them.
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PostPosted: 06:23 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the A13... is there anyone who actually keeps the the speed limit on that road? (except me, officer)

If you were reading the speedo, you may well have been travelling more slowly, say 55mph.
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
As a keen ambulance chaser I can inform you they don't do shiiiiit. Laughing


You do want to be a bit careful about that.

My mate is a paramedic and I asked him about following ambulances when they have their blues and twos on. What he said was basically:

"If I've got some old fella in the back who is basically brown bread anyway and I've only really got the lights on to show willing because he's got no hope I don't particularly mind. If I've got someone's kid in the back and it's touch and go and we are giving it the full beans and some arsehole is up our arse, likely we'll inform control who will put in an urgent call to the cops that someone is interfering with the safety of an emergency call. They will dispatch a car to nick them, and track our progress to inform the cops exactly where we are"

He said that they do see idiots following them on to the wrong side of the road and through red lights and that's a definite no no. My mates pretty reasonable, but you are kind of relying that the guy driving the ambulance isn't having a bad day because the cops do really look down their noses at someone interfering with ambulances on a call and even if they had no proof would likely fuck you about for as long as possible, check every aspect of your bike, impound it if they possibly can, anything to ruin your day basically.

Then again this is a man who just after his training was headed to a call down a dual carriageway at 80 with lights and siren on in the outside lane when he noticed a blaced out X5 up his arse flashing it's lights trying to pass him. He ignored them for two miles until he pulled off. The X5 followed up the slip road and drew alongside, my mate wound the window down and called the guy a 'Stupid Cunt' at which point the window rolled down and the guy said 'Er mate, your back door is open and flapping in the breeze' Embarassed heh.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

95Theses wrote:


My mate is a paramedic and I asked him about following ambulances when they have their blues and twos on. What he said was basically:

"If I've got some old fella in the back who is basically brown bread anyway and I've only really got the lights on to show willing because he's got no hope I don't particularly mind. If I've got someone's kid in the back and it's touch and go and we are giving it the full beans and some arsehole is up our arse, likely we'll inform control who will put in an urgent call to the cops that someone is interfering with the safety of an emergency call. They will dispatch a car to nick them, and track our progress to inform the cops exactly where we are"

He said that they do see idiots following them on to the wrong side of the road and through red lights and that's a definite no no. My mates pretty reasonable, but you are kind of relying that the guy driving the ambulance isn't having a bad day because the cops do really look down their noses at someone interfering with ambulances on a call and even if they had no proof would likely fuck you about for as long as possible, check every aspect of your bike, impound it if they possibly can, anything to ruin your day basically.



I've had a scooby impreza driver giving it the big I am on the A47 approaching the land of the roundabouts AKA Milton keynes... he got a nice little visit from a police car a couple of roundabouts down... apparently he took offence to an ambulance doing 90 ish in the offside lane on full blues...twunt.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did get a warning from the police when they saw me following an ambulance on my little KH125 Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Page 35, rules 107 - 108 of the Highway Code.

Quote:
Vehicle & Operator Services Agency Officers have powers to stop vehicles on all roads, including motorways and trunk roads, in England and Wales. They will attract your attention by flashing amber lights

- either from the front requesting you to follow them to a safe place to stop

- or from behind directing you to pull over to the side by pointing and/or using the left indicator.

It is an offence not to comply with their directions. You MUST obey any signals given.


Quote:
Highways Agency Traffic Officers have powers to stop vehicles on most motorways and some 'A' class roads, in England only. If HA traffic officers in uniform want to stop your vehicle on safety grounds (e.g. an insecure load) they will, where possible, attract your attention by

- flashing amber lights, usually from behind

- directing you to pull over to the side by pointing and/or using the left indicator.

You MUST then pull over and stop as soon as it is safe to do so. Then switch off your engine. It is an offence not to comply with their directions.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the motorway 'wombles' I worry about.
We presume they're also in fairly easy communication with the Police; and quite possibly have a bit of a power trip going on.

Wilson12345 wrote:
Once I was giving it full whack on the YBR and an ambulance overtook me approaching a bend, was incredible.

Indeed; why hadn't you pulled over to let them past?

Saying that, on my commute in Reading a couple of times I had waited for an ambulance to pass - but found that following them was a chunk slower than my normal filtering progress and definitely more dangerous as people weren't looking for anything in their wake.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Any marked police vehicle can stop you and report you for speeding with the exception as mentioned the Community plod who have no authority at all.

If it is any vehicle other than a traffic car, then the speedometer must be checked against a callibrated speedo or stop watch over the measured mile as soon as practicable after the event and the details of how, where and when the check was done entered into evidence.

Any discrepancies in the accuracy of the speedo would result in the prosecution being quashed, and for this reason it is therefore unlikely that a FPN would be issued but a summons for a court appearance.

Additionally a copper in plain clothes cannot do a traffic stop, but a uniformed copper in a plain car can.

Ambulance, Fire and Highways Traffic Bods also have no authority.

In most cases if non traffic do a speed check, then it usually just results in a bollocking as they can't be bothered to do the speedo check or the paperwork.

If the speed check is done aginst the speedo, then it has to be done over 3/10 of a mile on main roads or 1 mile on a motorway


This. An excellent post.

A van or dog unit etc certainly can pull you over and prosecute. As mentioned above it will usually rely on using the calibrated speedo to gauge your speed and it'll then be checked after the event.

You're required to stop for a Police Officer in uniform, so the vehicle being driven doesn't really matter.

Gaz
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