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Marmalade
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Drilling / Filing disk to take lock Reply with quote

I know I shouldn't but,,,,

I've just got an oxford disk lock alarm but it won't fit through the disk Sad

So, could i drill out one of the holes as shown to make it big enough to fit, maybe do it to opposing sides of the disk to counteract any unlikely (my opinion) imbalance issues

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PostPosted: 18:19 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will it not fit on the rear disc?
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think it's about the same but then i have to take panniers off to get to it and alarm would be screaming by the time i get to it to unlock
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

how much would you need to file it by? as long as your not going to be taking over half the material away it "should" be fine but wouldn't it be a pain to only have one place it fits on the the disk,
balancing would hardly be effected as its close in to the centre anyway.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't fancy it myself.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take the lock to a machine shop and have them mill a few mm off the bolt instead. Ok, it won't be as "secure" as before, but a thief still won't be able to get anything down there to cut it off really.

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PostPosted: 20:31 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
I'd take the lock to a machine shop and have them mill a few mm off the bolt instead. Ok, it won't be as "secure" as before, but a thief still won't be able to get anything down there to cut it off really.

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Might have to get it cylindrically ground as it's bound to be hardened steel.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would just weaken the brake disc, and the chances of it failing are small but I still woudn't, its there to save your life.

Better option: get another lock
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Drilling / Filing disk to take lock Reply with quote

I stick my lock through one of the holes in the rear sprocket.


As for filing it, I wouldn't want to chance it but it would probably be ok.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's the lock with only a pin it can be removed in seconds.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be fine, then again I would not do it to my own brakes, nither would I do it to anyone elses... Too much of a 'What if?' factor for something as safety critical as the brakes.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That lock on there is rubbish. The one intended is oxford boss alarm lock which are meant to be quite reasonable.

It's not a lot to come off, maybe 3 mm.

I'l have a proper look tomorrow
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its only 3mm I would take some from both sides of the hole and not worry too much personally Wink
I wouldn't take it all from one spoke tho
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm quite happy with doing it but thought i'd ask to see if any of the couple of bcf members had tried anything similar and had it go tits up for some strange reason.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh, I'd hesitate to risk a good disc for a cheap lock.

I had the same problem on my GPZ, but eventually figured out that I could fit the lock over the belt drive. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPz305? I'd cut the belt to steal the valuable lock, but I wouldn't even touch the bike. Might catch something, spend the rest of my short life feeling my head go soft and wear away while my spine rattles.

As for the OP, send the lock back and get one that fits. Its only a deterrent anyway, any bike thief that really wants to steal it will have it picked up and loaded into the back of a soundproof van in 15 seconds.
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PostPosted: 05:45 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade, dude, i never expected you to ask this sorta question.

Anyways, you will prolly need to replace the powerband. I would suggest getting a yellow one to improve the braking on the disc that hasnt been drilled.
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snow rider wrote:
Not sure if it has already been said but:

If you drill on hole bigger, find the exact oppersite and drill it to the same size. It should keep the wheel balanced, since it has worked on all the bikes I have owned.




Didn't you just make a thread about shit advice being posted in workshop? Also, are you honestly trying to say that on all of the bikes you have owned you have drilled multiple holes in the discs... Of course you did.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
As for the OP, send the lock back and get one that fits. Its only a deterrent anyway, any bike thief that really wants to steal it will have it picked up and loaded into the back of a soundproof van in 15 seconds.


Good luck. It took 3 people a lot of trouble to manage to push one of these up a ramp with a flat tyre let alone lift one and throw it in.

I'm no 10 stone weakling but picking the frigging things up after dropping them sometimes needs help in the right circumstances


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Marmalade, dude, i never expected you to ask this sorta question.

Anyways, you will prolly need to replace the powerband. I would suggest getting a yellow one to improve the braking on the disc that hasnt been drilled.


It's already got a red one, i nicked it off my sons SR50

I feel that i have sufficient brain cells to rub together to generate enough info on not turning this into a mangled disc situation but just wanted to find any pitfalls other than the possibility of slightly weakening the area but with the very small amount it needs to be widened and the amount of overkill on the strength of the standard disks I don't foresee an issue.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wouldnt if it was me.

I cant stop thinking about the stress point and how the force will be no longer be spread out equally under heavy breaking.

You catch my drift?
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, and I'm not talking from experience here, just a stance of paranoia, 'd be concerned about small stress fractures forming after you'd drilled the disc and been using it for a bit: it's unbalanced at that point, and won't pass the stresses through the metal in the same way.
If you bought the lock, then try to return t for one that fits. If it was a gift, then hold on to it for any other bikes you may use, and get a different one.
Having a disc fail is potentially much more expensive than any disc lock.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careful guys, you've almost talked me out of it
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 13 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOT manual:

A. Mechanical Brake Components

1. Examine all the mechanical components of the brakes which can be seen without dismantling, looking particularly for:

Reason for rejection;

1. Serious reduction in strength of any component due to excessive wear, cracking or damage (eg a brake rod reduced in diameter by more than I/3rd of original dimension)

g. An insecure or cracked brake drum or disc or securing bolts loose or missing
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