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PostPosted: 20:32 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: How often? Reply with quote

I'm doing about 50 miles a day commuting to work. How often should I be changing my oil and other fluid and oiling my chain?

Is there an idiots guide to daily/weekly/monthly/yearly maintenance tasks I need to be doing in between services that will keep my Hornet sweet?
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your bike manual will have the service intervals in it with what needs doing and how often. Probably around 4000 miles for the oil and filter. Obviously use your eyes as well as the book and do things as and when they need doing.

For the chain I'd get a Scottoiler.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:

For the chain I'd get a Scottoiler.


A Scottoiler manual and guarantee came with all the other stuff when I got the bike, but I can't see that it's got one on it. Which is a shame. Didn't do bad though, Datatool and Smartwater made my insurance very affordable.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got asked this a lot.

1. I cleaned & lubed my chain every 200-300 miles, keeps chains and sprockets happy for a long long time.
2. Brake fluid, change that when it starts looking a bit darker brown (it should look amber and/or clear)
3. Oil, well, oil should be translucent brown like you would expect to see fresh oil to look, again when this starts looking alot darker to the point you cant see through it get it changed, but I would suggest you look at a manual for mileage, I would say every 3000-4000 miles? But don't quote me on that.
As for an idiot's guide, a workshop manual will have all the basic information in on basic maintainance/servicing. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:

For the chain I'd get a Scottoiler.

Don't do this... Cos you have to set it right, and still clean the wheel and chain like you would using normal lube.

Scottoiler owners tend to forget about cleaning their chain like my uncle, he said "well it was getting lube, i thought it would be fine" the thing was BLACK...

Just do it manually, jack the bike up or use a paddock stand.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUG wrote:
Don't do this... Cos you have to set it right


It's not exactly difficult to set it right. The chain will obviously need a clean every now and then like all chains but at least it has a constant supply of fresh oil being put on it.

I cleaned my chain the other day as it was a little bit grubby but very well oiled. Much better than having a grubby dry chain. Bearing in mind it had been ridden all through winter and was the first time I needed to clean it since the Scottoiler had done a very good job.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better get that chain oiled then, I've put 800 miles on her in less than a month!
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 15 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:

It's not exactly difficult to set it right. The chain will obviously need a clean every now and then like all chains but at least it has a constant supply of fresh oil being put on it.

I cleaned my chain the other day as it was a little bit grubby but very well oiled. Much better than having a grubby dry chain. Bearing in mind it had been ridden all through winter and was the first time I needed to clean it since the Scottoiler had done a very good job.

Your an odd breed joe! When I used to service bike and fit scottoilers to them i would set them up, clean the chain, wheel, swinger, sprocket, lever and around the sprocket cover.
Next time the bike came in, scottoiler turned right up and covered in shit yet again.
Scottoilers, lazy mans excuse imo, take it with a grain of salt as I don't mean no offence by it, just experiance.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a scottoiler and clean my chain every 3-400 miles or so, good splash of paraffin agitated with a brush, once spankingly clean relube with gear oil and let the scottoiler apply supplementary oil until I clean and lube it again.

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PostPosted: 00:23 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I normally find a scottoiler has the flow rate set too low if the chain isn't staying vaguely clean. You should be able to get the flow at the right rate to keep your chain looking clean, but not fling loads of oil onto your tyre. I managed this with a scottoiler and a loobman.

Belt drive FTW, though.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do often forget BCF is the place were all the real bikers are that actually perform maintainance and are pretty clued up.
I'm just going off experiance. Laughing
I've never had a scottoiler because I dont go touring and do 400 miles per cup of tea on one journey. I also don't struggle at putting a bike on a centre stand or side stand + jack to manually rotate my wheel to clean it with a rag and a spot of brake cleaner then apply one rotation of lube. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUG wrote:
I do often forget BCF is the place were all the real bikers are that actually perform maintainance and are pretty clued up.
I'm just going off experiance. Laughing
I've never had a scottoiler because I dont go touring and do 400 miles per cup of tea on one journey. I also don't struggle at putting a bike on a centre stand or side stand + jack to manually rotate my wheel to clean it with a rag and a spot of brake cleaner then apply one rotation of lube. Laughing


You are also far wealthier than I, wasting valuable brake cleaner on a chain and using spray lube!!!! Tut Tut Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have connections. No money required. Thumbs Up Wink

Scottoiler fluid is cheap, but is a bastard to clean, like chewy when it comes into contact with dirt, my fave chain lube is either Putoline ceramic chain lube or some TL-45. One rotation good to go, doesn't fling bad and is easier to clean. A large Tin of either will last me about 100 chain services if not used for other applications.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing often put on the back burner are brake and clutch fluids.
If they look like wee in colour they're fine. If they look this...
https://www.sportbikes.net/forums/attachments/zzr-mods/180525d1232326585-change-your-brake-fluid-dscf3812_1024x768.jpg
...then it's worth changing it. Costs a fiver.
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PostPosted: 03:26 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:23 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do 60 miles a day in the week. Clean the chain with paraffin and oil it once a week with a paint brush, so that's every 300 miles. I have recently started using 90w gear oil and it doesn't fling much and stays on when it has rained, does its job of protecting the o-rings much better than engine oil did, althouth it worked well too. I was using a Loobman oiler but in all fairness I still got around 17'000 miles out of my C&S either way before something was worn out (last time the chain seemed to be great but the front sprocket was very worn) and I always replace them as a set.

As for servicing, just stick to the intervals from the manual as a guide, although 2 years for brake fluid might be a bit too long - I did mine once a year. You might also want to get the calliper off every service and pump the pistons out a little bit to clean it all up/grease with red rubber grease around the dust seal - especially if you ride in winter it's good preventative maintenance as so much crap gets in there and doing a proper seal and piston (if it's pitted) replacement can be expensive and a pain.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
I have recently started using 90w gear oil


90W gear oil has the same characteristics as a 10W40 engine oil if I remember right. Maybe it was 85 gear oil...
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

changing the engine oil every 3 months is good insurance for your engine.

Change the filter every second oil change.

If you do this you should get a very long life out of your engine.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

50 a day is 250 a week, 1000ish a month.
Honda's usual oil change interval is 1,250, so doing that once a month would probably be worth while.
Chain tension & lube, weekly clean down.
Main thing is to remember that that kind of commuter miles, one sunday jaunt can bring everything forward a week.... so you need to keep your eyes on the oddometer and keep track of the service works done.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
50 a day is 250 a week, 1000ish a month.
Honda's usual oil change interval is 1,250, so doing that once a month would probably be worth while.
Chain tension & lube, weekly clean down.
Main thing is to remember that that kind of commuter miles, one sunday jaunt can bring everything forward a week.... so you need to keep your eyes on the oddometer and keep track of the service works done.


Depends on the Honda Mike Wink , I know the tiddlers are normally 1-1.5k mark but the bigger bikes have rather optimistic service intervals (honda reckon 8k for oil and filter on my CBR600 - should be similar on the OP's hornet).
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

2'500 for oil and 5'000 for a new plug on the CG and CBF125, according to Honda, Mike, but a lot of people change it sooner. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 16 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
50 a day is 250 a week, 1000ish a month.
Honda's usual oil change interval is 1,250, so doing that once a month would probably be worth while.
Chain tension & lube, weekly clean down.
Main thing is to remember that that kind of commuter miles, one sunday jaunt can bring everything forward a week.... so you need to keep your eyes on the oddometer and keep track of the service works done.


Depends on the Honda Mike Wink , I know the tiddlers are normally 1-1.5k mark but the bigger bikes have rather optimistic service intervals (honda reckon 8k for oil and filter on my CBR600 - should be similar on the OP's hornet).


1,250 on the 750 & VF......

I know it vary's, but in the abcnce of dfinite info, I'd go with the default, shortest 'Fail Safe'.... a wasted £20 oil change is chaper than a rebuild!
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PostPosted: 05:26 - 17 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats down to Honda constructing late 70s and early 80s top ends from soft cheese and starving them of oil. They employed drunk bonobos as designers in that period. Remember the lecture on honda build quality?

Look at a contemporary GS750 or a GSXR750F etc and the intervals are 4000 ish, as Suzuki could design an oil feed system properly. Even if they lost interest by the time the thing came to be wired and painted X-D

I think a very conservative oil change regimen for a Hornet would be every 3000 miles or so.
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