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I have one. From my experience, and many reviews I have read, they are brilliant.
If you are looking for a bike to learn on, or just do some commuting on then this is not bad. It's only a 4 stroke 125 and so tops out at about 70mph, but that's at a push. Mine gets up to 60-65 then I have to be going downhill.
It's easy to work on, oil changes, chain adjustment is easy to do. I'm currently getting around 80mpg, so I can get about 240 miles to the tank - which is pretty good going really. The tyres are thin, yes. But they have plenty of grip. I think I have Pirelli City Demons so and cornering is fine - never really feel like it's going to slip.
They are fairly cheap and you could get one second hand for a grand and sell it later on for a similar price. Really happy with mine, they are great.
They may not look too nice, but hey its a 125. doesn't have to be your last bike 
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| Posted: 21:28 - 20 Jul 2011 Post subject: Re: Ybr-125 |
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| knightc wrote: | and apparently they have thin wheels? |
Oh Dear!
Wow ma-an, check out that back tyre, its like FAT!
You know, when I was seven, my mate told me his Dad's car did a hundred and twenty miles an hour, becouse that's what the speedo went up to..... I was so dissolusioned when I was told that it meant very little... and my mum's 850 Mini (with 1550 Ovrhead Cam Wolsey engine!) Went off the clock at 75, until the needle was pointing at th fuel guage!
In a similar way People used to point at tyres, and suggest that because a car had 'Wide Wheels' it MUST be fast.....
Actually.... no.
AND, narrower tyres, actually have many advantages, specially on a small, lightweight bike.
Push Bikes.... why do Tour De France racers have bikes with tyres like razor blades?
Reason is, the narrower the tyres section, the less rolling resistance it has, so the less force it takes to make it roll, and for the tiny power a human has, means they can make the most of it to go as fast as possible.
And in the 'wet', positive advantage in the very narrow tyre 'slicing' through water, like a sped boat, rather than trying to ride over the top of it like a barge.... which under a tyre acts like oil, reducing grip.
So, light bike, narrow tyre gives less drag, meaning more speed and better ecconomy, and better wet weather grip.
Wider tyres only offer advantage when you have more power than the tyre can transmit as thrust, when under hard acceleration, they 'may' slip.
Takes a LOT of power to make a tyre 'slip', and you ned to be particularly brutal for it to be a 'problem'...
My old VF1000 was notoriouse for having an engine with a lot of power and an awful lot mor low down 'torque', that could make a tyre slip... consequently it had one of the widst available back tyrs for its day, a 140 section... I could make it spin, even in the dry, if I tried hard enough, but the simplest solution to 'the problem' was not to try and find a fatter tyre... just back off the gas a bit! Then it would 'bite' and for most of the time offer as much grip as I wanted or needed.
That 140 section back tyre, is by modern standards pretty narrow, there are 125's that run fatter back tyres... I doubt there is much danger of them slipping due to being too brutal with the throttle... lot more danger that they will slip due to hydroplaning on a wet road!
SO... YBR has a 3" wid back tyre, 2.75" wide front, a common size for 125 lightweights that works well, and with 10bhp, unlikely to vex such a section, when a tyre only 50% wider is more than adquet for a machine more than twice the wight and over ten times as powerful.
Yes, they 'LOOK' skinny, and compared to what is fitted to many sportier 125's, let alone big bikes, but those big tyres are not always so helpful, and many a standard road bike, is comparitively 'over tyred' becouse peopl expect to see wide rubber on bigger bikes, as much as for any practical advantage.
On a light weight 125, like Tour Push Bike's, narrow tyres are GOOD. So don't worry about it.
YBR is a general purpose, Learnr-Commuter, it's reason for being is easy, low cost, worry free riding, and thy do it very admirably.
Thy ent inspiring, or exiting, but, if you want to beat bus fares, or do training & tests for a full licence, they do the job, very, VERY well.
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This is my old 2005 YBR. Got it to nearly 40'000 miles before someone knocked me off it on a roundabout (it's now in my garage awaiting resurrection). Mechanically great, bar the usual servicing, nothing truly major ever really needed to be done, but corrosion-wise, not so great (apparently the newer models can be worse). I recommend trying to find one with Michelin Pilot Sporty tyres on it. |
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| rtho782 wrote: | ............................. those small tyres take any slight irregularities in the road and try to follow them. |
| SweenyT wrote: | I agree that's one of the only things I don't like about my bike, that and the lack of power . I commute nearly every day on mine and it's a excellent little 'workhorse' - Economical and sturdy. The only snag is the roads on my way to work are badly cracked and full of potholes and the bike seems to love finding the grooves and pits in the road but with a reasonably firm grip on the handlebars you can generally control the bike and once you know where the rough spots are, avoid them. When I go out for fun I love opening the bike up on a clear road and have once got up to 80 (was possibly on a down slope) but generally only can manage 65-70 depending on wind speed and how much I've eaten that day 
I would recommend the YBR125 to anyone starting out as it's a very forgiving bike for a novice rider - I'm going to miss mine when I finally get a bigger bike. |
CB125's are supposed to run 3.25 rear, 3.00 front, a tad wider either end than GC/YBR's 3.00 rear 2.75 front.
The 3.00/2.75 combo is easier to get hold of and has better selection of tyres, so those are what we went for for Snowie's Pup, going for Mitch XT(?) the one that isn't a 'Sporty'... still a grippy bit of rubber though. My 'Corporal' still wears its 'old' 3.25/3.00 combo...
Tracking & tramlining 'problems' are as often as not, NOT because of the actual tyre width, but simply crap tyres! Either old, hard, curiousely profiled, or squared.
Corporal can tramline like a bast'd on it's 'wider' tyres, wher the Pup rides like a dream... ONLY difference is the tyres... and the wider tyres are the 'worse' ones.
| YourMumRang wrote: | I was riding a CBR125 until she was put to sleep by a Canadian in a VW. I'm currently on a YBR and I hate it. |
It's a bit of a different bike from a CBR125!!!![/quote][quote="rtho782"] | ##Paddy## wrote: | No its not lol its got a dress on and is cooled by water, thats about it. |
That's a bit unfair, Paddy... YBR has twin shock rear suspension, CBR has a simple cantilver monoshock...
But other wise, yes... its a commuter in a frock, and it's spec and performance is rather bland, the CB125 Super Dream, thirty years older in design is, in some ways STILL more advanced than the CBR! It has two cylinders for a start, and propper multilink rising rate monoshock suspension...
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | CB125's are supposed to run 3.25 rear, 3.00 front, a tad wider either end than GC/YBR's 3.00 rear 2.75 front.
The 3.00/2.75 combo is easier to get hold of and has better selection of tyres, so those are what we went for for Snowie's Pup, going for Mitch XT(?) the one that isn't a 'Sporty'... still a grippy bit of rubber though. My 'Corporal' still wears its 'old' 3.25/3.00 combo...
Tracking & tramlining 'problems' are as often as not, NOT because of the actual tyre width, but simply crap tyres! Either old, hard, curiousely profiled, or squared.
Corporal can tramline like a bast'd on it's 'wider' tyres, wher the Pup rides like a dream... ONLY difference is the tyres... and the wider tyres are the 'worse' ones. |
I'm not the tyre expert (or general bike expert) that many others are here, all I can say is that my YBR125, brand new on stock tyres (so not old/squared as they were new) was horrible on this road: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=b3130&hl=en&ll=51.43325,-2.714331&spn=0.005251,0.009216&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.43359,-2.714986&panoid=uluGYV1gcGYIwPfFy-6Cbg&cbp=12,314.16,,2,14.8
The only other bike I have ridden on said road is the ER-6f (quite a bit different I know) and that is fine on it.
It is possible better tyres on the YBR could have improved things, but it's not like I was using some worn out 5 year old things with decaying rubber!!
When saying the YBR and CBR are different I just meant they have different target markets, the YBR is trying to be a cheap reliable commuter, with lots of economy etc and putting out what, 10bhp?
The CBR is trying to at least look vaguely sporty, and is, I believe, right on the learner limit of 15bhp, so going to perform better, but is also more expensive to buy, and probably not as bulletproof. Personally I'd pick the YBR of the two, as if I wanted performance I wouldn't be buying a 125 anyway! |
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| SweenyT wrote: | True, but I bought my bike new in 09 and it still has the stock tyres on it with good tread and lowish mileage (a tad less than 3k on clock). |
The YBR, as standard is fitted with fairly hard 'budget' tyres, they may be new, but they aren't great.
People always exagerate the 'difference' better tyres make, like many 'improvments', often simply because what they had before was worn out and under performing, so anything new, exaggerated the improvement.
But with budget commuter, problem can be that the OE tyres are actually hard wearing enough they can outlast the bike! A more sticky aftrmarket tyre, and not a full 'sporty', can make a hug difference, but, thy probably wont last more than 5-10K miles.
| SweenyT wrote: | The roads I have to travel on are just completely shot and badly need re-paving |
And there in lies the 'problem'... you cant blame tyres for crap roads!
| rtho782 wrote: | I'm not the tyre expert (or general bike expert) that many others are here, all I can say is that my YBR125, brand new on stock tyres (so not old/squared as they were new) was horrible on this road:
It is possible better tyres on the YBR could have improved things, but it's not like I was using some worn out 5 year old things with decaying rubber!!
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As above. OE Tyrs are budget commuter rubber, designed to last high mileage, not best grip. & I don't know the road, but, doesn't really matter...
| rtho782 wrote: | The only other bike I have ridden on said road is the ER-6f (quite a bit different I know) and that is fine on it. |
YBR weighs 125Kg, and is a budget commuter. Its short, and it's light, and its under damped, designed to potter about at 40mph getting to and from work, with brief blasts up to 60 ish.
ER-6 is a 'big bike'. It weighs something like 200Kg, nearly twice as much, and has sophisticated modern suspension. Its a 'touring' motorcycle, intended to cover high mileages, at mor like 60mph, with the capability to reach more than double that, in comfort.
It's like comparing a Kia micro car with a 5 Series BMW.
YBR is what it is; a light-weight, Learner-Commuter. For what it is designed to do, it excells, unfortunately, what it is designs to do, is get one person from A to B as CHEAPLY and easily as possible. Speed, handling, comfort, are all secondary considerations, that merely have to be 'adquete'.
| rtho782 wrote: | When saying the YBR and CBR are different I just meant they have different target markets, the YBR is trying to be a cheap reliable commuter, with lots of economy etc and putting out what, 10bhp? |
Exactly, hnce critisising it's handling, and trying to infer that 'deficiencies' are due to its tyres is a little crass... it's merely the natur of the genre.
| rtho782 wrote: | The CBR is trying to at least look vaguely sporty, and is, I believe, right on the learner limit of 15bhp, so going to perform better, but is also more expensive to buy, and probably not as bulletproof. |
CBR is a more sophisticated bike than the YBR, and yes, it does have more power, and yes, is designed to be notionally 'Sporty'.
Unfortunately, it's designed like a washing machine... it was designed by accountants, stylists and marketing men, not engineers.
Accountants wanted something that was cheap to make, and had biggest show room value. Marketing men, wanted sporty looks, and saleability, and the stylists gave them that by taking a humble commuter, tuning it up, and dressing it up.
1977, Honda wanted to prove that they could build 'propper' motorbikes, and ones that could last. They were still making a reputation. They were also challenged by the Hi-Po two strokes of rival Japans makers, and bikes sold on performance, in those days, not looks.
The CG125, and the CB125 Twin were both drived from the CB125S, a bike much like the CG125, but with, for the day, 'advancd' over head camshaft engine. For The Eruo market, it lacked power & prformance against the two strokes, for Asia, it lacked reliability & ruggdness.
CG was re engineerd and given a more rugged push rod version of the CB Single engine. The CB was given a completely new 'Twin' cylinder engine, still with OHC.
At that time, the British Bike Industry was still hoping to survive, but, NO ONE made an OHC 'Twin' of ANY Capacity, in the UK.
Twins were 'propper' motorbikes; the in line four, started by Honda in 1979, with the CB750, and followed by Kawasaki's Z1, was still considerd by many to be a 'flash in the pan' a vogue that would die out. There had been 4's before, and all had eventually succumed to being to expnsive to make. Japs would eventually 'realise' this, people said. (Worth noting that Suzuki had only JUST entered the IL4 'frey' with the big bore GS's, and Yamaha were still pushing twins, tripples and two strokes!)
The CB125 Twin, was a cutting edge motorcycle irrespective of capacity, and it made the same power as its two stroke rivals and was a 'propper' sports bike.
In 1982, with the UK's 125 Larner Laws Honda updated the CB125 Twin, and christened it the Super Dream.
- They gave it a state of the art, hydraulic twin piston front brake disc. Most 125's, infact many 'Big' bikes still had drums, and even 'sporty' lightweights often only had cable operated discs! Rivals Kawasaki & Yamaha's offerings, the RD-LC & AR-LC both had single piston discs.
- They gave it state of the art, multi link rising rate rear suspension. At the time, most bikes were still 'Twin Shock'. Yamaha, the company that had pioneered monoshock suspension, offered the RD-LC with simple cantilever monoshock rear suspension.
- They gave the bike 'Comstar' wheels. Fabricated alloy wheels with conventional rim and hub, like a spoked wheel, but pressed alloy shet 'blades' instead of wire spokes. An expensive solution to the critasism of spoked wheels being 'heavy' and cast wheeels (as RD and AR) being weak and prone to cracking.
- They gave it electric start, at a time when E-start was a novelty on many 'big bikes', and burned thier boats, removing the kickstart mechanism entirely, to show thier confidence in it, when few customers did!
- It got a revised second generation version of the original 'Twin' engine, which again, in full powr guis mad as much 'peak' power, and an awful lot more useable mid range than rival 'full power' two strokes.
They then drssed it up in 'consrvative' street bike styling.....
Apart from high show room sticker price, its greatest failing! It looked 'Boring' compared to the funky token faird AR or RD.
THAT was what Honda could do to offer a PROPPER 'sports bike' back in 1982.... the underlying ENGINEERING made the machine, and Honda used all they had in the R&D department to mak it state of the art.
1997, and they make the CBR125.... which like I said, was designed by stylists, accountants and salesmen, NOT engineers...
There is NOTHING 'cutting edge' about the bike. It's greatst claims to be 'better' than any of it's peers is that water cooled, multi-valve, fuel injected engine... which COULD have been a mouth watering confection... but instead of being designed for 'Performance' to try and match contemprary class leaders... thy copped out and gav it something BASICALLY dsigned for a scooter, tuned for cconomy, emmissions and noise regulations... and stuck it in a lack luster, chassis, with suspension that was only barely more advanced than the CG125's in 1980... and which Honda themselvs mad obsolete, with the multi link systms they developed from the early 1980's.
On THAT basis... CBR is a 'different' bike to the YBR, which is all 70's technology, humble, dependable, rugged, design to offer 'adequte' performance.
But for all the CBR may have a 'bit' more about it, and have some 'pretence' at being sporty; that's ALL it is, 'Pretence'. Just like the YBR, its been engineered down to a level of 'adquete' performance, cheekily a 'little more' than a YBR has to offer, but not much.
15bhp? Yeah, the 50% more power it has over a YBR sounds a really big deal... but, its actually 20% LESS power than Honda's 'Sporty' CB125 'Twin' of 1977 vintage!
So, less powerful, and less technologically advanced than bikes the same maker offered quarter of a century ago!
I'm not knocking the CBR, but it is a Budget Comuter, that has been given a fancy frock and funky stickers, aping bigger sports bikes, to make it more appealing in the market place.
And in that sense, no, it's not 'MUCH' different to the YBR.
One is a 'no frills' ASDA Smart Price "commuter", other is the brand name version, in a track suit with loads of life style lables!
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@ Rogerborg
I think the stock tyres are cheng shin/sakura s-901 F and s-180 R although I thought that later ones were fitted with city demons. I could of course, be mistaken
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| heehaw wrote: | CBR is masquerading as a sports bike, its not. Say what you will, mutton dressed as lamb. Anybody on a real sports bike will laugh, it lacks character. |
Possibly - you did note that the original thread is almost two years old though, didn't you?
| heehaw wrote: | My CB125TD-C is/was awesome, it actually exceeds to bhp limit set for 125 bikes now |
Not if its a genuine UK bike it doesn't.
The TD-C "Super-Dream" got the 'Reduced effect' detuned engine, making the UK limit 12.5bhp.
The Earlier T & T2 Twin-Shock models, had a higher lift cam and bog carbs to offer 16.6bhp, which is more than modern Euro 125 A1 limit; and a few 'Special Order' Super-Dreams, for markets where it was permitted got a Super-Dream variant engine with the earlier spec cam & carb sizes. They didn't come to Britain as official imports.
| heehaw wrote: | but is exempt because it met the regulations at the time. |
Unfortunately, no, it isn't. In fact it doesn't need to be, because it's under the modern limit anyway; but technically full-power Super-Dreams and Twin-Shock T's & T2's aren't 'Learner-Legal' A1 complient.
When the UK 125cc/12.5bhp Learner-Limit was imposed; there WAS an exemption for 125 machines built before 1982, that permitted them to be ridden on a Learner-Licence, provided they were still under 125cc even if they made more than 12.5bhp peak power, as there was a distinct shortage of second hand 125's after the legislation was imposed, and they didn't want to make it too confusing or difficult.
However, that exemption, that never effected the mono-shock CB125TD-C anyway, was 'dropped' during the EU revisions, when the A1/Learner-Limits were revised and the permitted power increased to 14.5bhp; at which point, became riders responsibility to ensure thier machine was complient to regs; and if necessary was 'restricted' to the new learner limit.
| heehaw wrote: | When I was learning I had older folk on R1s and assorts come over to look at it because its what they wanted to have when when they were learning. |
Mine dont have to have L-Plates; They do often get people looking at them, and muttering, though without the L-Plate most seem to think its a 250! I can point at the '125' badge on the side, and they'll still often argue with me over it!
Don't recall the Super-Dream being the one so many really 'wanted' 'back in the day'.... it was too 'boring' looking for most teenagers, and a 'fourstroke' so it had to be slow. They all wanted RD-LC's or AR's. Lads that got Super-Dreams.... was usually because that was the one thier Dad chose! They didn't sell well. And fact that there are TD-C's running around on C-plate registrations, 1986, a clear two years after they stopped making the model, shows how many unsold Super Dreams sat in warehouses, so long!
Pitty, because they were probably one of the 'best' 125 Learner-Legals ever built; Honda really did push the boat out and try and make a bike that did everything every-one might want a 125 to do.... then fugged it up in the styling, and even more attaching the 'Super-Dream' badge to it!
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