Stops and starts

[Peterthepillo...]

I'm having a job getting these tidy and consistent.

During DAS it was always left foot down and hill starts off the rear brake, bike sitting in gear with the clutch in.

Then I did a days post test training and then it's right foot down, hill starts off the front brake and bike sitting in neutral clutch out. This is I'm told the way the police train riders.

So now my 'system' is a random combination of the two, often wobbly and displeasing.

Is there a right way or is it just what suits you best?
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[ThatsTheBadge...]

I've always been told Left foot down, right foot on rear brake. No chance of rolling that way. You should already be in gear ready to go, before you stopped rolling.

Suits me, people ride differently depending on what's comfortable, however I know people have been failed on test for putting their right foot down.

[Rogerborg]

The instructor could be talking mince; he may be correct but only for his local force; and even if he's right and all forces train that way then it's still not necessarily the best way to do it.

If you think the instructor is wrong, tell him to shut it. He's your employee, don't let him get uppity.
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[Peterthepillo...]

Hmm .....well yes Roger, but from the lofty pinnacle of my 12 months riding experience I find it pretty difficult to contradict a bloke with 30 years of police riding/training, particularly as it is just that long experience I am paying him to impart.
I agree you wouldn't pass a test doing it that way but thats true of a lot else everyone does.

But anyway to quote his report

"Adopting a system will enable stops and starts to be dealt with consistently and maximise stability. I recommend putting the right foot only to the floor as this leaves the left foot on the peg to shift in and out of gear if required. This system is neat and economical of movement and is used universally by police riders."

Perhaps they have to spend long periods stopped waiting for their clients to appear.
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[TheSmiler]

Like badge as said the safety position is right foot over covering your back brake, it gives you more control over the bike if someone was to back end you. With left foot down, reason being you should be in first ideally to get the fastest start when the lights change or you can move again.

Even if you were parked up and got on your bike I was told you should always get in the previous footing after getting it started and going in to first.

However what I would do if this is just for das and you will definitely get this instructor covering your mod is follow his lead until he passes you then, go to the other method (if you are having problems explaining it to him). The safety position is always best imo as you have more control and it is faster to move when you have stopped.
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[Benson_JV]

Again, I was always taught right foot on brake, clutch in ready to go...this is what I do. Unless I'm at a four way control or something where I know I'm going to be waiting, in which case it's both feet down and stretch.
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[chris-red]

Personally I think it is easier to start off from a hill with the front brake on.
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[Peterthepillo...]

Well he seemed to manage it, it's really no different to a car driver doing a hill start off the footbrake which a lot do. (unless it's very steep!)
Clutch out to biting point - brake off - on the gas and go.
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[Slacker24seve...]

I thought the 'Hendon Shuffle' was the 'Police way'.

Left foot down for me.
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[Fizzer Thou]

Strange this.I have tried to think of how I do hill or traffic light starts but nowadays it comes so instinctively.I will just have to go out on the bike tomorrow and report back.
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[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

On my low powered bike i tend to use the rear brake on hill starts probably as it needs more wrist movement to pull away. Means my throttle position is better.
Same if i'm taking a pillion, it can make for a more stable take-off.
When i'm solo it depends on how steep the hill is as to whether i use the rear.

Works for me....and for Nigel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9M83O2mpEk
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