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Ste
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 26 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. But further up there are people who are happy to move other bikes and scooters, tintin and hellkat both say they're happy to move other people bikes.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 27 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's OK to move scooters, because most of them don't park properly, leave too big a gap between each other and don't care even if you point it out to them.

Most of us will park a sensible distance from another bike, they just chuck them in the middle of the bay!

I've had my bike moved, and whilst not happy I would rather another biker was able to park and not get a ticket.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 27 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather have a biker move a scooter, than a scooterist move a bike.

Think about what is easier to move, and how unfamiliar a scooterist is going to be with a bike.

You can drag a bike around on its' side stand, but only if you know what you're doing.

But generally, it is extremely bad manners to touch someone elses bike without their permission. Most bikers understand this. Do scoot riders?

But also a biker will understand if his bike is in the way, and was moved carefully.

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PostPosted: 09:32 - 27 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jinx wrote:
without trying to be funny... why is it ok for you to move theirs but not ok for them to move yours?

I mean to say - I wouldnt want them to move my bike but I wouldnt even consider moving theirs!!


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I wouldn't move other bikes (thats why the boys at Great Marlborough St used to "look after" mine until there was a space, made legally by a bike moving out).

But peds in London are considered "lesser creatures" Smile Plus, they're easier to lift manually and move than some alarmed-up R1, which I wouldn't dare touch for fear of dropping Laughing

Okay, so if I moved a ped and a huge gorilla lumbered up to me and went "Oi, you touched my bike", I'd (suppress the grin) and then I'd go "Sorry mate, but I needed to get in and you were parked a little wide".

But in the Proper Bikes vs Commuter Peds skirmish that has arisen in London since the advent of the CC, you do what you have to, and take it on the chin if you fuck up.

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PostPosted: 09:43 - 27 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robin wrote:
Ste wrote:
Why is it okay to move other peoples bikes or scooters, but not for someone to move your bike? Confused



As far as I'm concerned it isn't. Don't mess with something that isn't yours. I've often seen this reinforced in quite an impressive manner by some very large people.


You're quite right. I do feel a twinge of something resembling conscience when I move them . . .

. . . but at the end of the day, in London, with all the peds since the Congestion Charge, most of whom have NO CONCEPT of the responsible method of parking undertaken by most bikers who have been parking in and around London for years, its a dog eat dog world . . . so now these people who ride their peds into town (with their blankets around their knees) because it saves them a fiver every day, do they think that makes them right to park as irresponsibly as they would park their cars if they were still bringing them in every day?

I do have SOME morals and would never deal with a ped maliciously if its owner was not there, but I have NO qualms in moving irresponsibly parked peds. If (proper) bikes are parked irresponsibly, I just curse them roundly and go on to find another space.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 27 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

when in Weston S M I parked up on the front with the parking attendants a couple of cars away...thye watched us get changed from leathers to walky around gear and just as we had packed everything away came up to us and said that we had to pay and disply...I asked where the fug do I put the ticket, the answer, take it with you....right, they then suggested that I should move to the bike parking 200 yards up the road....w@nkers...
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 29 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moving a bike or scooter is exactly the same thing if it is a biker moving a scooter, or a scooter rider moving a bike. If you're okay with bikers moving scooters then you can't complain if someone moves your bike, as that is exactly the same thing as you're happy to do to someone elses property.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 29 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying it doesn't. But it is different and daft to be quite happen to make shit happen to someone else, but to complain when they do it to you. Double standards really. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's complaining.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Moving a bike or scooter is exactly the same thing if it is a biker moving a scooter, or a scooter rider moving a bike.


I disagree.

A scooter rider isn't going to be familiar with moving a bike. That was made painfully clear to me during my trainng. The guys from scooters who were trying to upgrade to bikes had no idea about the weight etc.

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PostPosted: 16:45 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Can one of you tell me the term used by London bikers when they lift and deposit scooters to park their 'real' bikes??? Someone told me a few weeks ago but forgot instantly ;-(

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PostPosted: 17:42 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I Disagree.

A scooter rider isn't going to be familiar with moving a bike. That was made painfully clear to me during my trainng. The guys from scooters who were trying to upgrade to bikes had no idea about the weight etc.

Shade


Quite frankly a very rash generalisation and is just one example you have seen, Which does not make this true for every scooter rider Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

culpan wrote:


Quite frankly a very rash generalisation and is just one example you have seen, Which does not make this true for every scooter rider Thumbs Down


Of course it's a generaliation, as are most comments on most threads (there's another generalisation), but I don't think it's particularly rash. Someone who is used to moving a sub 70 kilo scooter is likely to struggle moving a 180 kilo commuter (unless they are used to doing so). While someone used to wrestling with a heavy bike is much less likely to have a problem moving a scooter.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nkd666 wrote:

Of course it's a generaliation, as are most comments on most threads (there's another generalisation), but I don't think it's particularly rash. Someone who is used to moving a sub 70 kilo scooter is likely to struggle moving a 180 kilo commuter (unless they are used to doing so). While someone used to wrestling with a heavy bike is much less likely to have a problem moving a scooter.


Actually, I disagree with that last statement. Someone used to slugging a heavy bike around may overestimate the weight of a scooter, with less than happy results
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't turn around and complain if someone moves your bike (or scooter) if you're quite happy to move other peoples bikes (or scooters). Double standards if you do. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

pblack9455 wrote:
...Can one of you tell me the term used by London bikers when they lift and deposit scooters to park their 'real' bikes??? Someone told me a few weeks ago but forgot instantly ;-( Ta


Nope, didn't even know there was a "term".
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 30 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Double standards if you do. Thumbs Down


Ever heard the expression "Do as I say, not as I do"?

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PostPosted: 10:37 - 31 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah the famous "karma-bashing" playground tactic.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 31 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike parking is a bit of a lottery in London. I recall once parking in Mayfair - on the edge of a bay early and a stupid idiot had parked his scooter, next to my bike, leaving me no room to get on the bike to go and scratching a bit of the paintwork. To get out of the space I moved the scooter so it was outside the bay!

The vulture like wardens in Westminster would have pounced and the £30 fine he undoubtedly got was compensation for the scratch and his stupidity in parking, literally on top of my bike!
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 31 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:04 - 31 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone moves your bike because you have parked blocking them in it's to be expect really. But someone moving your bike because they would prefer it to be somewhere else so that you can use the space where they're bike (or scooter) was parked and bitching about people touching your bike is daft. If you're quite happy to do something to someone else, you can hardly be suprised if someone then does it to you. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 07 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

oooh how smug do I feel - In Corsham (the small town I live in parking is FREEEEEE!!! and in Chippenham jsut up the road parking is free for the first hour in the majority of our carparks!!!! 25p for 2 hours, 50p for three hours!!!

Dont ya just LOOOVE wiltshire! hehehe
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 07 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't give a toss if people move my bike... So long as both of us are in a space, it's fine by me. I wouldn't even mine if somebody chains their lock onto my lock - provided the oaf hasn't tied his chain around my rim! Twisted Evil Confused which would be bloody daft! If you want to park near charing cross/holborn, the bike park in temple has an abundance of space, and people often dont mind chaining up to eachother's bike. I always chain up to my m8s NSR when we're huddled together in central london... makes it even harder for them to nick our bikes i suppose Confused Is the "lock it to me" scheme effective and how many of you would object to some other person chaining their bike/scoot onto yours?
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 07 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite happy for someone to chain their chain to my chain, not to my bike though. No reason to mind it being chained to the chain as long as they havn't managed to damage anything or set the alarm off.
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