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lockheed
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Torque wrench in Newcastle? Reply with quote

I am in dire need of borrowing a torque wrench as my bike is dripping oil after recent change but the belly pan is very prone to thread stripping. I tried tightening it with tyre iron but am afraid to push it any further.

The bolt size is 20mm and 23 Nm.

I'd greatly appreciate if someone from Newcastle, Gateshead or NE in general, could loan me their torque wrench. I could actually try to tighten it on site so no loan would be necessary.
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you change the washer ?
Try some PTFE tape on the thread.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you don't get sorted before then, I'm back up north on friday so could help you saturday morning

Down south until then though
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Torque wrench in Newcastle? Reply with quote

lockheed wrote:
I am in dire need of borrowing a torque wrench as my bike is dripping oil after recent change but the belly pan is very prone to thread stripping. I tried tightening it with tyre iron but am afraid to push it any further.

The bolt size is 20mm and 23 Nm.

I'd greatly appreciate if someone from Newcastle, Gateshead or NE in general, could loan me their torque wrench. I could actually try to tighten it on site so no loan would be necessary.


That part of the statement has me worried somewhat!
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Torque wrench in Newcastle? Reply with quote

Why don't you just buy one. A cheap one with a calibration certificate can be had for £20, I wouldn't fancy doing head bolts or cam cover bolts up with it but for a sump plug it'll be fine.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a similar issue with my ZZR recently.

As said above, PTFE Tape.

I work with plumbers, and one of them came into the office one saturday morning when I was on my rostered weekend, noticed my bike dripping and threw a roll of PTFE tape at me.

I took the plug back out and wrapped it with said PTFE stuff, put the plug back in just a tad more than finger tight, and it lasted fine until I could get the sump Helicoiled by a local garage, New bolt, washer, oil, and helicoil for a grand sum of £30.

If the threads have stripped, have it helicoiled or timesert'd. I think I read somewhere that a sump bolt only needs to be finger tight + a quarter turn? I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong - but I guess it's a good starting point if you don't currently have access to a torque wrench.

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Steve.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also consider using a dowty washer.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/frog1/cars/GroupAPumpFit/DowtySeal.jpg

Its basically a metal washer with a rubber o ring in it, tighten it up just enough so that it wont fall out and it won't leak, doesn't need to crush so less chance of you overdoing it.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil gets hot so I'm not sure rubber is good for this application.

I cannot afford spending 20 quid on a tool I gonna use once. Besides, I need it asap. I can only go shopping at weekends and this weekend I'm in London.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

lockheed wrote:
Oil gets hot so I'm not sure rubber is good for this application.


What do you think your oil seals are made of? Your engine is full of rubber O rings in contact with hot oil. Dowty washers are used as OEM sump washers in loads of vehicles, the oil temperature is NOT an issue and I have seen them in Halfords.


lockheed wrote:
I cannot afford spending 20 quid on a tool I gonna use once. Besides, I need it asap. I can only go shopping at weekends and this weekend I'm in London.


If you use it more than once your bike will love you for it.


Does London not have shops?
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Does London not have shops?

Hear you get special discounts in the evenings too Wink.

If you haven't got a new washer, using a torque wrench will make it much more likely for you to strip the thread.

The torque specified is specifically for doing up a new washer for the first time - so that it crushes a bit. The same torque further times will have a different affect.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need a torque wrench when doing a sump bolt. You've more chance of stripping like that than just doing it by feel. 20Nm is just about nipped up then about an 1/8th of a turn.

If you can't stop it leaking chances are you've already done some damage.
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put new crush washer last night and tightened it with tyre iron. There was no leak overnight so I am cautiously optimistic.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

lockheed wrote:
tyre iron




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PostPosted: 08:15 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lockheed
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get what problem you have with tyre iron. It allows good reach due to its shape and if you are not club-handed, it is not really less precise than spanners. DITTO
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

lockheed wrote:
I don't get what problem you have with tyre iron. It allows good reach due to its shape and if you are not club-handed, it is not really less precise than spanners. DITTO


This is a tyre iron:

https://www.ktm4u.co.uk/images/ww/products/TYRE-IRON-LARGE.jpg

This is not:

https://images.esellerpro.com/2347/I/103/63/lrgswwb3.jpg

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PostPosted: 09:55 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

and this is a 9 iron

https://www.tommorrisclubs.com/images/Victor_9Iron.jpg


OP, either buy a torque wrench, it will help on the rest of your bike, trust me.

OR just nip it up, i've never had an issue using a socket and a decent grip... no way in hell should you need anything other than that for a sump plug. Thumbs Up
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lockheed
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 10 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, neither of the pictures show what I used, which is this:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B88Ep9FD0oE/SREswW-08QI/AAAAAAAAApQ/OOMDBn6a1ug/s400/tyre1.jpg

Worked pretty well, regardless of the name.
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PostPosted: 05:48 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they mean is the sump nut need nipping up if yu have used that tool and give it a good pull chances are youve damaged the threads hence why its leaking. 23nm is bugger all a gentle pull with 2 fingers is enough.
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PostPosted: 06:52 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Did you change the washer ?
Try some PTFE tape on the thread.


This Thumbs Up i have damaged the thread on my bike (as i change every 1000km).... now, new washer very time plus a generous wrapping of teflon tape.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I normally just use hylomar or loctite threadlocker on mine, stops any leaks. Also it's good to get it fairly tight, I mean you don't want it vibrating loose down the motorway.
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