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leonski
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: no key for the fuel cap ???? what next ???? Reply with quote

hi just found my frist real problem with my project Laughing im asking for some wisdom on the removal of the said fuel cap
my head tells me to smash a screw driver in and turn unless you peeps know of another way Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it not the ignition key? If possible then use a load of penetrating oil on the lock just to check it hasn't seized up.

Decent locksmith could cut a key to match the lock but that might cost more than a new cap.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

could drill all of the barrel out so no key springs/pins remain and then there should be either a plate in the bottom which you turn or the locking pins(that sit under the lip of the tank) should come back where youve drilled out the barrel

if you try the screwdrier route and snap it then it makes drilling alot harder, the barrels are only alloy, screwdrivers tend to be tougher, plus the drill bit will hit the broken shaft and spin off
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Is it not the ignition key? If possible then use a load of penetrating oil on the lock just to check it hasn't seized up.

Decent locksmith could cut a key to match the lock but that might cost more than a new cap.

All the best

Keith


thats what i thought but it wouldn't budge ill get some wd40 on it later and see if that works
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Use a proper penetrating oil. WD40 isn't that much use for it.

Entirely possible someone has swapped the ignition or fuel cap already, hence a non matching lock.

A pattern fuel cap is probably not a massive amount, although likely not as good quality.

If you are very lucky then there will be a number on the cap which you can use to get a key cut. Also possibly worth checking the helmet holder lock / seat lock as well.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey CB500 wrote:
could drill all of the barrel out so no key springs/pins remain and then there should be either a plate in the bottom which you turn or the locking pins(that sit under the lip of the tank) should come back where youve drilled out the barrel

if you try the screwdrier route and snap it then it makes drilling alot harder, the barrels are only alloy, screwdrivers tend to be tougher, plus the drill bit will hit the broken shaft and spin off


thanks ill will keep that in mind to good tip
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

and to reduce chance of the drill bit slipping of wearing out always keep the are you are drilling oiled
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful about drilling it. Because its gonna empty filings into your tank so empty it out once you have it open. Otherwise it will clog up your fuel filter and potentially get in t'engine.

How much is a tank off ebay? You may find its cheaper doing that than buying a new fuel cap. A mate found that out after he fitted a new cap on Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
Be careful about drilling it. Because its gonna empty filings into your tank so empty it out once you have it open. Otherwise it will clog up your fuel filter and potentially get in t'engine.


Wow you really need to think before you speak, the fuel cap is locked sealing the tank, and your only drilling out the lock part of the cap not drilling all of the way through.

Fail to see how this is going to cause filings to get into the tank? you just blow them all away or hover them up before opening the fuel cap.

Have done this on countless bikes which have had snapped or lost keys, its a simple 10 minuet job and dosent affect fuel or anything.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect opportunity to learn how to pick a lock.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Use a proper penetrating oil. WD40 isn't that much use for it.

Entirely possible someone has swapped the ignition or fuel cap already, hence a non matching lock.

A pattern fuel cap is probably not a massive amount, although likely not as good quality.

If you are very lucky then there will be a number on the cap which you can use to get a key cut. Also possibly worth checking the helmet holder lock / seat lock as well.

All the best

Keith


i noticed yesterday when i tried the key it didnt go in all the way so it may be the wrong key but i could be wrong
but before i try any thing im gonna contact the previous owner to see if he can shed some light into this lol
he was not about when i got the bike and his mother came out with lots of keys saying i wouldnt have a clue wicth one it is lol so i may still be there ............u gotta have faith Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
Be careful about drilling it. Because its gonna empty filings into your tank so empty it out once you have it open. Otherwise it will clog up your fuel filter and potentially get in t'engine.

How much is a tank off ebay? You may find its cheaper doing that than buying a new fuel cap. A mate found that out after he fitted a new cap on Laughing


ebay always a good option if all else fails
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebay is always a option but how many people sell a petrol tank with the fuel cap and key?

most sellers sell the lockset as a whole item ignition, fuel cap etc
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey CB500 wrote:

Wow you really need to think before you speak, the fuel cap is locked sealing the tank, and your only drilling out the lock part of the cap not drilling all of the way through.

Fail to see how this is going to cause filings to get into the tank? you just blow them all away or hover them up before opening the fuel cap.

Have done this on countless bikes which have had snapped or lost keys, its a simple 10 minuet job and dosent affect fuel or anything.


Well I've never done it myself, cool your beans. Was just a suggestion. And if you have done it countless times, why not just do it again?
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not the topic starter I was just giving advice.

When people need help read the whole thread and think about things before posting them so you dont give someone false info like you just tried to.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 09 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey CB500 wrote:
Im not the topic starter I was just giving advice.

When people need help read the whole thread and think about things before posting them so you dont give someone false info like you just tried to.


First of all, I apologise as I thought you were the OP.

Secondly I have read the whole thread, just didn't think about it properly. Just thought when you drill a hole, you get swarf. Now if you dont go right down and only do the lock then you are right. But as my friend did, and the OP may have done, he just rammed the drill right down (well his dad).

So it can and does happen. Logic behind it is to break the lock internally where as mindless acts state just ram a drill down there and open the lot up.

Please don't reply to this, I CBA with the replying. I know I was wrong, no need to point it out again.
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