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gg
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: CBT for 4 years Reply with quote

Failed mod 1 about 4 times, combination of own ability and instructors i'd say, as once was on left swerve which i wasn't trained on.

Anyway wanted to have a do at a DAS lesson on a bigger bike, and although i'm aware that i'm quite short, and although they say height isn't the issue confidence is the main factor (which somebody who hasn't ever rode a bigger bike would lack!), i've been refused a go on one.

So my question is are there places/instructors who are very short ppl friendly, and would be happy to let somebody have a go on their bikes even though there's worry of dropping it?

Thanks for your help.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man up?

Its only goes as fast as you tell it, its a bit heavier when standing still but again, its light when you are moving.

Its not going to kill you... I rode a 400 before a 125 and im still alive, you'll be fine and you wont drop it, there is no difference.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a shade under 5 foot 6 and I done DAS. Most places dont really mind if you drop their bike. Thats why they use cheap and easy to fix bikes. Guy on the course with me got back from failing mod 1 and after a perfect ride back to the yard rode into a wall!

Best thing is call the local bike training schools and explain your nerves and lack of confidence and your riding could use some coaching and they'll probably be able to help.

Thats what they are paid for afterall.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man up as in run off with some keys and their bike, or accept the decision from an instructor older and wiser and stick with the restricted license, or piss off and find a school who'll do me the das lesson?
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

igig wrote:
Man up as in run off with some keys and their bike, or accept the decision from an instructor older and wiser and stick with the restricted license, or piss off and find a school who'll do me the das lesson?


Just feel confident, nothing different between say a 125 and a 500.

I passed on a 125 and 10 days later went and bought a 500 and rode it 100 miles home. The initial "holy crap" went after about 5 miles Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate is quite a small fella and he couldn't do the DAS test because the training center didn't have any bikes with a low enough seat height and he couldn't set his feet on the floor.
They didn't have time to mess about lowering a bike for him so he opted for the restricted test on a 125 which he could ride at standard height. After passing that he bought a new GSXR600 and had it restricted and lowered 30mm by the dealer.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, guess i'll keep with the restricted access.

Or move to China or something.

Wonder if licenses from other countries can be transferred in the UK.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

igig wrote:
piss off and find a school who'll do me the das lesson?


This.

The school I went to had a spare seat for their bikes that was cut down to make it a bit lower. It's hardly a big challenge for them.

However, I suspect it's a lack of confidence, but if you failed 4 times maybe they just think you can't hack it. Try somewhere else, a different instructor may work better for you.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

igig wrote:
OK, guess i'll keep with the restricted access.

Or move to China or something.

Wonder if licenses from other countries can be transferred in the UK.


I'm sorry to be a bastard but thats the kind of attitude that keeps you from passing mod 1. Your a defeatest.

Paddy's right when he said man up. Whos riding who? Are you riding the bike or is it riding you?

If you cant master your fear of the bike then you've got no business being on one. You've had some good advice here and all have pointed in the same direction. You can do this if you gain the confidence. Sadly we cant hold your hand for you but we can tell you the truth. Simple truth is man up and get on with it.

As Bendy said. Change schools and explain the lack of confidence. Failing that come down to Portsmouth for a week and I'll let my instrutor kick your arse.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Massive rant Laughing


Well someone didn't get their after dinner treat Laughing

He is right though mate, you'll need to be confident... when I was on 125 I wanted to work up to a much bigger bike, despite the fact they are capable of 100+ in seconds Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i was doing my DAS. There was a guy doing it the same time and he was only 5ft3 or 4. He dropped the bike( er5n) , but only on left corners about 8 times. Instructor wasnt bothered atall, he just kept laughing. Most of them have crash bungs on and protective bars anyway. He passed them all easily. Think he went onto to get a ducati monster (despite not being much of a monster himself)
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 6'2" but have pathetic upper body strength as I'm a runner and not ashamed to admit a total girl!

However I manage the 500 no probs but still managed to drop it once cos I pulled the front brake on the figure of 8 in practice! The only issue I have is moving the bike in the first part of the mod 1 as I find my height and previous injuries can work against me.

I failed Mod 1 three times cos I just wasn't ready - passed on the fourth time yesterday in the pouring rain. If you see a blocker you won't do it - the only person responsible for me failing was me! Confidence comes only with the self-belief. Paul McKenna's Instant Confidence book/CD helped me as well as quite a few swigs of Bach's Rescue Remedy.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The traffic in China would kill you.

Was it the riding school with whom you were failing to achieve Mod1 that won't let you have a trial on the 500, or a sensible friend who won't let you have a go on his big bike ?

If its the former, they may not think you are riding well enough to justify the risk. As the chaps above have said, the bigger bikes are easier to ride than a 125 (lower centre of mass aids stability, extra torque etc). But the jump to a big bike isn't taken lightly by a riding school. Big bikes don't go any faster than a 125 in your lessons or tests as your instructors/examiners won't tolerate speeding. Smile As for reaching the ground, you only need to put one foot down when you stop (remember when you were little and you had a go on a bigger kids bike - its like that Smile)

It may be they want convincing you want to do a DAS course before they let you ride one.

For a DAS course, I believe you need to train for the MOD1 and MOD2 test on a big bike. (Ready to be corrected though).
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 11 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
Massive rant Laughing


Well someone didn't get their after dinner treat Laughing

He is right though mate, you'll need to be confident... when I was on 125 I wanted to work up to a much bigger bike, despite the fact they are capable of 100+ in seconds Laughing


Only had 1 cup of coffee when I wrote that Laughing Can you tell?
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 12 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How tall are you?
Fourten on here is 4 ft 10 and passed. (can't remember if she did DAS or not).
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 12 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The day i done my mod 1 there was a girl on a kawasaki 600 doing her mod 1, she was about 5ft 5in and she was a police-woman, after completing her mod 1 and passing as she was about to leave the test centre with her pass certificate and her instructor she fell off the bike in front of the guy who just gave her the pass, he was not too pleased and started shouting at her instructor to get her of the ground and out of the test centre, having spoken to her instructor he told me that although she was small she had some guts and determination to go through with her full test and nothing would stop her, when sitting at a standstill her toes were lucky to reach the ground, so dont worry what others say cos if you are determined enough then go for it and good luck.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 13 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: CBT for 4 years Reply with quote

gg wrote:
Failed mod 1 about 4 times, combination of own ability and instructors i'd say, as once was on left swerve which i wasn't trained on.


You don't have an instructor with you once you pass your test: take responsibility for your own safety. Plenty of people pass Mod 1 without any training at all. It's not tricky, has been even easier since May, and all of the information on it is readily available.

Cruel to be kind: you have a lousy attitude, and if you can't pass mod 1 after "about" 4 tries you should seriously reconsider whether biking is for you.

If this offends you, then prove me wrong by man/womaning up and getting the job done.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 13 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi yea thanks for all the input. Situation is there're two bike schools which have said no to me trying a lesson on a bigger bike. So I'm here thinking if only I had that extra height/strength/skill. At around 5ft3 i tiptoe on a cbr 125.

So yea I have considered that biking is not for me, and driving cost too much. There's no reason why I can't use a CBT for the rest of my life other than that there are new riders who are going through this biking thing with GetOn and claiming to do a DAS straight after their CBT, having only been on a bike for a week, then passing and riding a massive one. How annoying.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 13 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest height means nothing, it's leg & foot length combined with confidence. After failing once at some training center you should have been thinking about finding another one. There are plenty of girls riding bikes who wish they were 5ft 3! So it's certainly do-able. Often it's a case of finding a bike that's been lowered, or has a cut down seat, or even just doing it on a lower bike like a cruiser.

Have you always failed on the same thing? if so work on it! If not then at least you know you can do all the various bits perfectly it's just a case of staying calm and sticking them all together. Some people seem to think that to ride well they have to get things right, but also do them quickly too. In reality there's nothing at all wrong with taking your time to think about things before you do them!
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 13 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 5ft 4"
I did my test on an Yamaha SR125. Could flat-foot on that with bended knee.
Do you have a bike of your own? or just using the training bikes?
Riding for yourself in your own time is invaluable for experience and confidence.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 13 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

gg wrote:
There's no reason why I can't use a CBT for the rest of my life other than that there are new riders who are going through this biking thing with GetOn and claiming to do a DAS straight after their CBT, having only been on a bike for a week, then passing and riding a massive one. How annoying.


Like me. I'd never ridden a motorbike, I did CBT and DAS over a few day (granted the were Sats and Suns). I was put off getting a bike because of the restriction period (2 years on a 125 didn't appeal, though it may to some) - having never heard of the direct access scheme.

Why not address why you failed the Mod 1 tests. Are they things you can fix ? If so, get through the Mod1 and 2 on the 125, and wait 2 years for the restriction period to be over. Instant big bike.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 13 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

gg wrote:
There's no reason why I can't use a CBT for the rest of my life


There is, Teflon Mikes' head will explode at the thought. Bits of obscure knowledge about CB125T's will be strewn all over the nether regions of BCF Razz Wink

Dude if you've got a 125, then practice the mod 1, in your own time at your own pace, and you'll piss all over it. Then do the mod 2 and pass that. It's the cheap option. DAS is great so long as you're capable of passing it first time.

A 33bhp bike is no big deal really, it'll still do 100mph, even if the acceleration isn't balls to the wall. Besides you never know, after a while, magically all of their own accord, the restrictors might fall out, and you'll get to use the rest of the bikes power. Just be careful if this happens and don't ride like a dick, and avoid coppers who behave like dicks.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 11 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had to post an update...

After doing yet another CBT, now in 5th year, I got on a bigger bike! woohoo, though not been on the road. The bike school back then wasn't happy to let me on a 500cc, giving the reason of my riding not being up to scratch. What's on my mind is why allow somebody to take many mod 1 tests, and pass another CBT with them, when they "think you're not good enough". I wish they had been more honest. Trying another bike school was the way forward, thanks for all your help and suggestions!
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 11 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: CBT for 4 years Reply with quote

gg wrote:
Failed mod 1 about 4 times, combination of own ability and instructors i'd say, as once was on left swerve which i wasn't trained on.
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You need to get this crappy attitude out of your head too, not trained on a left hand swerve?? - get a grip man. The only one to fail mod 1 is you.

EDIT: Well done for getting that bigger bike.
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