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PostPosted: 19:03 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Need some advice Reply with quote

https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/Clearancelines/Untitled-2.png


As shown in this image I come off at the second exit at this roundabout and use the right lane approaching the roundabout, problem is stupid cagers use the left lane to come off at the same exit as me and I have countless near misses.

Question. If I did happen to have an accident would I be found at fault as I am technically cutting them up and moving into their lane or should I incorrectly use the left lane and avoid any potential accidents??
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the road give you any indication as to where you should be? ie arrows?

Can you get a street view of it?
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're supposed to give way to the outer 'ring' of the roundabout when you're on the inner, regardless of where you believe they should or shouldn't be. I should add; unless there are clear road markings to the contrary.

However, I have won an insurance claim in the past against someone in the outside lane when I crossed their path.

Given your fragile status, on a bike, I'd do whatever seems safest at the time. You don't get bonus points for being killed whilst doing 'the right thing'.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
Does the road give you any indication as to where you should be? ie arrows?

Can you get a street view of it?


No lane markings at all. Here is the link to the roundabout.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Burnt+Common+Lane,+Burntcommon,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=51.306244,-0.475695&spn=0.006291,0.021136&sll=41.890062,12.492549&sspn=0.002677,0.005284&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=16
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 15 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd likely enter using the right lane, stay there until past the first exit (so that cagers waiting at it don't think I'm exiting) then carefully move to the left lane and stay there until the 2nd exit.

Probably not an "on test" answer, but you're looking for pragmatism rather than textbook, right?
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Probably not an "on test" answer, but you're looking for pragmatism rather than textbook, right?


Exactly that. Just want to make sure I don't get squished. I think I might start using the left lane, that way I wont end up cutting anyone up thus decreasing the chance of an accident.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll cut you up instead.


TBH though being prepared for being cut up is easier than doing it to someone else safely.

I would probably enter in the right lane, stick with it until past the 1st exit then get over and wait for the 2nd exit.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:

I think I might start using the left lane, that way I wont end up cutting anyone up thus decreasing the chance of an accident.



This may cause an issue that if you are hidden behind say a van turning off the first exit, traffic waiting to join the round about will just see a large van indicating, and may pull out, not expecting traffic to be following as they can see the 2nd lane is clear.
From their position the roundabout will visually be clear.

Personally I want to take as defensive a line as possible in this situation, 2nd lane off the slip road and around the round about, indicating and joining lane 1 after the first exit, but before the tunel as soon as possible. The later you leave it, the greater the risk of not joining safely.

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PostPosted: 09:47 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nixon wrote:
but before the tunel as soon as possible. The later you leave it, the greater the risk of not joining safely.

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That would mean I would be changing lanes right after an exit onto the r/b. Wouldnt there be more chance of someone pulling onto the r/b when Im in the middle of changing lanes??
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awkward one really. Technically, as you can't get back on the A3, your exit is "straight on" and as the 2nd exit, the left lane would ordinarily be the one you'd use. And although there isn't a right turn on the roundabout you will get people going full circle to take that left-turn off the sliproad back onto the A3.

I don't think there is really a right answer to this. Whichever lane you choose you'll get cars in the other lane trying to go the same way as you. I'd probably use the left lane - if I did have a coming together with a car, I could argue that I was going straight on via the 2nd exit and that's why I chose the left lane.

Of course I say this without having ridden it myself. Experience will teach you what the majority of drivers do. The right answer probably depends on how the traffic is stacked at the point in time you're negotiating it.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
Awkward one really. Technically, as you can't get back on the A3


If you carry on round the r/b you do merge back onto the A3 that being the 3rd exit.

And although it is technically straight across, the exit is way past the 12 o ' clock point on the r/b so surely it is a right turn?
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
That would mean I would be changing lanes right after an exit onto the r/b. Wouldnt there be more chance of someone pulling onto the r/b when Im in the middle of changing lanes??


Yes, but you should be able to see them. If you're taking the right hand lane, you'll have to cross the left lane at some point to exit: I'd aim to do it as soon as possible.

Your other choice is to go round in the left hand lane, but then you've got the (aformentioned) risk of someone pulling right out on you from the first exit because they've assumed that you'll be turning off there.

There's no ideal answer in this situation, it's going to depend on traffic and road conditions.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

There's no ideal answer in this situation, it's going to depend on traffic and road conditions.


So what your saying is that im going to get squished at some point? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 lanes onto a roundabout =
Left for exit 1 & 2
Right for 3 & 4

Or in this case its a free for all.

Just make sure that if using the right lane (and I would use that as well) that you ensure that you do not put yourself in a situation where you can get squashed on the exit.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
2 lanes onto a roundabout =
Left for exit 1 & 2
Right for 3 & 4

Or in this case its a free for all.

Just make sure that if using the right lane (and I would use that as well) that you ensure that you do not put yourself in a situation where you can get squashed on the exit.


I always thought that if an exit was past the 12 o 'clock point on a roundabout then you should be in the right lane? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 16 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
I always thought that if an exit was past the 12 o 'clock point on a roundabout then you should be in the right lane? Rolling Eyes


I was under this impression also!
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