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I know how that feels, fuck me that's made me angry now. 
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It's things like this that makes me think, haul out the live ammunition and FMJ's.
Line the rioting streets with the armed forces and 7.62mm Minimi's with 200-round clips and order them all to fire into the crows. The first person to release the trigger before his clip has been spent goes to jail.
then, stick it on TV, on all channels, just to spread the message.
"If you riot. If you steal, rob, loot and ruin; you will be cut down in a hail of gunfire." Peace through fear. It's not ideal; but fear is the only thing these people understand. And right now, they lack any fear, or respect. Their actions are without consequence.
The biggest argument against it is always "Human Rights wouldn't let it." =P if they sympathise, they can be cut down like the rest of the animals.
If these fools tried to pull that shit in China, they'd roll out the tanks and the guns.
if they tried it in Russia, they'd all disappear mysteriously overnight.
It's worked for them. Why wouldn't it for us? =P |
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big, brave and making such a valid point...... 
scum.
Sums up the riots, imho.
Pointless thuggery
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| Posted: 00:34 - 17 Aug 2011 Post subject: |
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fucking utter scum.
attacking and stealing a scooter from a young lad, its ok though there underprivileged youths
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Nice response, but...
If you were pulled off your moped over here (if handguns were legal, I wish) by some rioting thug douchebags and you then pulled out a handgun and shot at them so that you hit one or killed one you would either get done for actual bodily harm/assault if you managed to hit them or manslaughter if you killed one.
That's what it is like in this country, it's why people are afraid to defend themselves. I remember reading a story in the local paper (which is local and the most reputable I've found) of a burglar who was in someone's house when the house owner came down who had already called the police to have the burglar draw a knife.
To cut a long story short, the house owner beat the living shit out of the burglar and detained him until the Police arrived, lo and behold he sued the house owner for assault! I can't remember the outcome however.
Also along with that I'm sure some people remember the case of a burglar breaking in to a building only to fall through a skylight, seriously injure himself and then sue the building owners for his injuries?
As far as I'm concerned the Castle Doctrine shouldn't be restricted by normal self-defence laws. If someone is in your house/on your properly, without your permission and refuses to leave when told to you should be allowed to use deadly force to protect him yourself, your home and anybody inside it AS LONG AS the person on your property was on your property and committing a violent act OR an illegal intrusion that could POSSIBLY RESULT in a violent attack. Even if you have to have to announce your possible use of deadly force.
Of course this is thrown out of the window if the person is already incapacitated BUT you should be allowed to use ALL THE FORCE NECESSARY to incapacitate them.
Of course in this country unless you jump through all the hoops required to get an FAC all you can really legally own to defend yourselves is a bloody Swiss Army Knife and sharpened broomsticks. .
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....I think that the looters should, instead of being sent to court be issued with an unloaded rifle and a pair of Union Jack/Stars & Stripes pyjamas and sent to work on the front line in Afganistan/Iraq as decoys! If they survive for more than 6 months they can keep the stuff they looted! 
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| Paulington wrote: |
If you were pulled off your moped over here (if handguns were legal, I wish) by some rioting thug douchebags and you then pulled out a handgun and shot at them so that you hit one or killed one you would either get done for actual bodily harm/assault if you managed to hit them or manslaughter if you killed one.
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If handguns were legal and if you could legally carry one for self defence, then there is no reason to assume that the law wouldn't have been drafted to allow for the fact that people would use lethal force to defend themselves. Fact is they're not, and at best he'd be lucky to get away with manslaughter.
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To cut a long story short, the house owner beat the living shit out of the burglar and detained him until the Police arrived, lo and behold he sued the house owner for assault! I can't remember the outcome however. |
Anyone can sue anyone else for anything, even if there is no prospect of success. But that's not a good daily mail headline.
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As far as I'm concerned the Castle Doctrine shouldn't be restricted by normal self-defence laws. If someone is in your house/on your properly, without your permission and refuses to leave when told to you should be allowed to use deadly force to protect him yourself, your home and anybody inside it AS LONG AS the person on your property was on your property and committing a violent act OR an illegal intrusion that could POSSIBLY RESULT in a violent attack. Even if you have to have to announce your possible use of deadly force.
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Nah, that's bollocks. The law currently allows you to use force reasonable in the circumstances to remove someone from your house. However, if you're being attacked, then it will be recognised that a person defending himself cannot weigh to a nicety the exact measure of his defensive action. If the jury thought that that in a moment of unexpected anguish a person attacked had only done what he honestly and instinctively thought necessary, that would be the most potent evidence that only reasonable defensive action had been taken...
Broadly, you hit the other bloke as hard as you can with whatever you have to hand and if you cripple a burglar with the cricket bat that you grabbed on the way down stairs, you're probably going to get away with it. If you tie them up and repeatedly beat them, you won't.
Put it this way - I don't trust MPs with the death penalty, I certainly don't trust the idiot in the street with the right to use lethal force.
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Of course in this country unless you jump through all the hoops required to get an FAC all you can really legally own to defend yourselves is a bloody Swiss Army Knife and sharpened broomsticks. . |
Boo hoo, does diddums want a handgun? I'm not going to reel off the gun death stats, but I'd rather have a chunk of stout, english willow rather than start mucking about with firearms when the red mist comes down- mainly because when you clout a family member who's come in late you at least have a better than even chance of apologising to them afterwards.
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| multijoy wrote: | | Paulington wrote: | Of course in this country unless you jump through all the hoops required to get an FAC all you can really legally own to defend yourselves is a bloody Swiss Army Knife and sharpened broomsticks. . |
Boo hoo, does diddums want a handgun? I'm not going to reel off the gun death stats, but I'd rather have a chunk of stout, english willow rather than start mucking about with firearms when the red mist comes down- mainly because when you clout a family member who's come in late you at least have a better than even chance of apologising to them afterwards. |
I already own an FAC and by that a fair few guns so I am well equipped to defend myself should the need be. I am completely happy with gun control in this country as only people with a genuine usage for them (which means only people sensible enough and willing to go through the massive pain in the ass to get them) can obtain them. Of course however there will always be people able to get them in an illegal manner. Not to say if the red mist did appear something silly may happen but that can happen with anything from a gun to a piece of metal.
However I know that I am not stupid enough to fire on someone (something I hope I never have to do) unless I know who they are and what they are doing, you make it sound as if I will just open fire on anyone who strolls through the door, that's not true.
The entire rant was based on the fact I personally find it silly that some thieves in this country have massive knives, swords and illegal guns and we (really) are not allowed anything of that calibre to defend ourselves should the need arise.
Also, fatpies is correct with the situational laws, if you are the aggressor of the situation then what results is on you.
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| Hardball wrote: | | Paulington wrote: |
Of course in this country unless you jump through all the hoops required to get an FAC all you can really legally own to defend yourselves is a bloody Swiss Army Knife and sharpened broomsticks. . |
SGC is relatively easy to get |
That's because they hand out SGCs like flyers. FACs are a completely different ballgame.
| dgo1212 wrote: | Dude, look how many rioters there were, how many bullets would an average handgun hold?(genuine question), how long between each shot fired, how many are likely to be accurate, and what are the chances of shooting all of them before you get overpowered, you'd be dead and the niggaz n wiggaz got the gun that fires real bullets. |
Okay, let's say 15 rounds as a typical clip, as for how long between shots, just over a second, and the rest is history.
However, that is beyond my point I merely used that as an example of how even if it was legal, you'd just get punished for it anyway.
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I already own an FAC and by that a fair few guns so I am well equipped to defend myself should the need be. |
No you're not. You start pulling them out and pointing them at people, you'll be (quite rightly) on the wrong end of an armed response team.
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I am completely happy with gun control in this country as only people with a genuine usage for them (which means only people sensible enough and willing to go through the massive pain in the ass to get them) can obtain them. |
Clearly you're not happy with it! Especially noting that 'genuine usage' doesn't include self- defence.
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Not to say if the red mist did appear something silly may happen but that can happen with anything from a gun to a piece of metal. |
If they're kept properly, you won't be getting to them whilst the red mist is on.
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However I know that I am not stupid enough to fire on someone (something I hope I never have to do) unless I know who they are and what they are doing, you make it sound as if I will just open fire on anyone who strolls through the door, that's not true. |
The same argument the yanks use for having a handgun under the pillow. Unless you're some highly trained ninja, you're as susceptible to panic as anyone else. Stick with a cricket bat.
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The entire rant was based on the fact I personally find it silly that some thieves in this country have massive knives, swords and illegal guns and we (really) are not allowed anything of that calibre to defend ourselves should the need arise.
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The offensive weapons act applies only in public. If you want to festoon yourself with knives, swords and bats in the privacy of your own home, knock yourself out. Just remember that decapitation of a burglar might be difficult to justify.
It's a fact of life that criminals will tool up with illegal weapons. It'll always be an arms race. If the 'ped rider was tooled up, he'd still be 'ked, and most likely dead.
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