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PostPosted: 14:44 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Could I do this Reply with quote

Ok cut it short i dont want a car and my dad cant take me to the motocross track often. so

would i be able to drive there on my CRF450 if I get if registered for the road would I be able to have it a bog slandered crosser ? e.g no lights no mirrors, nothing . just the number plate on my backpack .

its not to bad as the track is a 15 minute drive from my house .
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess we need more info on your situation.

To legally ride on the road, no matter the distance to the track, you need

Tax
Insurance
MOT
Driving License Full A or Restricted A (provided the CRF450 puts out less than 33bhp).

There are loopholes in the MOT where you can present a bike with no lights etc however, im not sure how they would pass a crosser designed for off road use.

It's a big risk riding without all of the above as the slightest incident could cause the police, insurance etc over you like a rash.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are you going to get it back home if you bend it?
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

right iv looked into this a few times and tbh hones you will hear loads of different things but these are facts.

for the mot it will need (E) marked tyres or road legal tyres.

a rear number plate.

and i was told different by different mot testers that it does or does not need a rear brake light.

it does need a 2 tone electric horn.

thats it oh sorry a reflector on your plate.

in terms of rejistering you rbike on the road iv heard and im sure alot will tell you it needs a few awkward forms for dvla and some other shizzle.

if you have a bog standard crf450 nothing fancy then i would suggest selling it then buying a road legal crf 450 that is either registered for the road or has been rejisted and if you can find one in supermoto trim at a good price id grab it then sell all the road kit i.e big brake kit big wheels tyre as these do good money then buy soem dirt wheels and tyres as these go cheap.

what im getting at is dont do the registering your self just buy one that is.

and when its done show us pics or gtfo
thanks adam.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it will be taxed and i would be able to get it MOT'd ( i know a guy Wink )

i think insurance will be a issue but i hear some company's dont ask for the restriction (my bike is 52hp i think)
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

devojunior wrote:
and i was told different by different mot testers that it does or does not need a rear brake light.


Strictly speaking you don't, but a good idea. Problem comes when they decide that the brake light you have fitted also has a rear position light in it, and if you have a rear position light the others become compulsory.

Probably a bigger problem will be getting it through SVA if you couldn't avoid that (there are exceptions but beyond the enduro one which is basically a min ground clearance of 300mm an a min seat height of 900mm I am not sure what they are). Getting it through SVA would be difficult and expensive.

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PostPosted: 15:33 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put an ad at the track asking to cadge a lift on someones trailer, with willing to pay petrol etc ? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicked from another forum wrote:
This is how to register an off road MX type bike on a daytime MOT; it get's your bike legally on the road

1) Get a certificate of newness ( for an age related plate)If you want it on an age related plate then get a certificate of newness (for KTM you just call up www.ktm.co.uk on 01280 709500 and ask the person that anwers the phone that you want a certificate of newness; they will will then give you there email address ; email them with the frame & engine No, make and model of bike; and your address. Its free and they usually post it within a couple of days

2) Get it on a daytime MOT

You can get a Daytime MOT from any bike MOT station. Remove any lights unless they are fully working for a daytime MOT all you need is a reflector at the back of the bike for the day / road legal tyres and a horn ( get the £10 mega horn from Halfords) horn) that's it; clearly your bike need to be road worthy i.e. no oil leaks; good brakes etc etc just book it in and get your MOT!

If you want a full MOT you will need tail light and brake might operated by both front and rear levers; front light with main beam and dip.

3) Insurance
Get insurance on the frame number (Carol Nash will do this for two weeks; you then have to give them the plate No when registered; make sure you can get to the DVLA within 2 weeks of insuring it or they will cancel your policy.

4) The DVLA
Go on the internet and download a V55/5 from the www.dvla.gov.uk there website or you can get one over the phone. When you get this fill it in with the obvious boxes but make sure you put it down as a 'enduro bike' you don't need to fill out all the emmssions info / power to weight etc etc, you don't need to fill out things to do with the MSVA test.

Just fill out your details; bike info make, colour, cc's etc.

go to your local DVLA without the bike first but with all your paperwork ( inc passport and utility bill) you pay them £96 which includes your tax for a year

when you are there on your first visit you will need to book the bike in for a inspection

go back on your inspection date; they measure seat height and ground clearance - thats all; and will tell you on the day of inspection its registration Number and give you a tax disc

5) Give the registration number to your insurance company
And get a cool plate made up for your new bike

6) Your Log book
wait about 1 week and your log book will come through; just check the frame and engine number are correct.


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What is a ‘daytime MOT’?

A ‘daytime MOT’ is the popular rather than official term used for a Ministry of Transport vehicle test which confirms your motorcycle is legally roadworthy for use only in daylight and conditions of clear visibility. If your bike meets the test criteria you will be issued with a normal MOT certificate but with an advisory note (a VT32) which confirms the daytime/ visibility restriction which applies. If you have a daytime MOT you may not legally use your bike on the public highway outside of daylight hours or at times of seriously reduced visibility.

Who would this apply to?

This mainly applies to owners of classic bikes which are not originally fitted with lights, who might have to MOT with the VT32 advisory and owners of off road bikes or track bikes might also be issued with one if they have modified their bike in order to make it street legal.

How do I get one?

Any authorised MOT test station should be able to issue you with an MOT certificate carrying the VT32 advisory note should your vehicle satisfy the test criteria. However you may find that as VT32 restricted MOTs are not frequently requested some garages are not familiar with them. The test criteria are listed in Section 1 of the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency’s (VOSA) MOT Inspection Manual Motor Bicycle and Side Car Testing .

What are the criteria?

To qualify for a daytime MOT your bike must “have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked.” This applies to headlamps, position lamps and indicators. The situation with stop lamps is significantly more complicated. Machines do not need to have a stop lamp fitted if they cannot exceed 25mph, were first used before 1st January 1936 or were first used before 1st April 1986 and do not exceed 50cc. Those first used before 1st April 1986 must have a stop lamp that operates from at least one brake control and those used on or after that date must have a stop lamp operated from both brakes. There is an added if not widespread complication for bikes first used from 1st April 1986 which were approved with a stop lamp activated by one control. There were very few of these and test inspectors are instructed to fail a bike only if they are certain the stop lamp was designed to be operated by both brake controls and isn’t.

Your bike must be fitted with a rear reflector and an “audible warning device”, typically an electrical horn, which must be loud enough to be heard by another road user.

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PostPosted: 15:54 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Could I do this Reply with quote

CRF-Rider wrote:
Ok cut it short i dont want a car.


To be honest, that would actually be the easiest (and most sensible) option...

You can get a daylight only MOT, make sure your tyres are legal, and insure what I'm guessing would count as a modified vehicle... then bin it and have to walk home...
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Could I do this Reply with quote

Ted wrote:
CRF-Rider wrote:
Ok cut it short i dont want a car.


To be honest, that would actually be the easiest (and most sensible) option...

then bin it and have to walk home...


well im only 17 at the mo so insurance is to much for me (and dont really like cars :/ ) but maybe in the future i will get a shitty car and hook a trailer to it maybe when im older .

and I wont bin it im to pro Wink only joking , but yeah 15min drive is like an hour walk haha
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not the case that for serious off roading you want true off road tyres, which aren't road legal?
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you race in the winter and do any of your meetings finish after 4pm?

worth considering for the daytime MOT!
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think you should get a quote for that CRF first, they might class it as a copetition bike!

thing is mate, if you bin it - how are you gonna get home - you only need to snap a clutch lever and youve had it on a bike like that.

how are you gonna run MX tyres on the road?

What about jerry cans, and all that jazz

better to get a car, i know it sucks but a lightweight trailer and a nissan micra could do the trick and be cheap, plus its safer, more reliable and legal! tyres are going to be a problem! if it rains and your out on tarmac on MX rubber, itll be like ice skating and youll go through tyres quicker too, itll cost you there alone, those fronts go really quick on tarmac
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know that its not the most practical way but i love racing and dont want to give it up because i just cant get there or cant afford a car, but might have to wait it out if my idea doesn't work . sucks really
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 25 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
Is it not the case that for serious off roading you want true off road tyres, which aren't road legal?

You can get some very good enduro tyres that are road legal (remembering some rallies etc use road sections to transit, etc) - I believe you can even get motocross tyres that are road legal.
I've also heard of people just shaving off the 'not for road use' bit.

You shouldn't need an MSVA as it should fit the ground clearance and seat height regulations.

I've ridden my 690 15 miles to an enduro on (all private) roads with a motocross front tyre and a trials rear. Started to get two distinct weaves from either end at about 55-60, but was fine a little below that (or holding it just on the point of it becoming too unstable, because I'm silly like that.)
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 26 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRF-Rider wrote:
i think insurance will be a issue but i hear some company's dont ask for the restriction (my bike is 52hp i think)

The police might though... Wink
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 26 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could easily make a throttle restricter which could be removed when you got to the track. Make it so you can't remove it while actually riding and it should be fine. Probably good for the bike to not be thrashed on the road too.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 26 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding without restriction is easy to pull off (I did it for two years, one of which was spent on a 100bhp bike) aslong as you blend in. Now, me on a CBR600F in generic black kit and a rucksack means I look like 50 other bikers the cops have seen that day. You, in full off road kit with a loud as fuck hooligan bike, no lights and a plate on your back will mean they will pull you every two seconds.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 26 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know the police will pull me over just by looking at it but the track is not far at all so not much of a pain as if i was going more out my way
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 26 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

just to add there is no such thing as a daytime mot its a normal mot but you get an advisory saying ligts not fiited at time of test.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 26 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.gaz-racing.co.uk/content.php?page=viewarticle.php&article_id=97

Read that post.

There's nothing to stop you getting a fully blown MX bike road legal, I think it just needs a number plate, rear reflector and a horn, possibly a brake light, I forget.
Whether it's a good idea or not is another matter. Insurance would probably be more expensive than you think it's going to be, and it'll make a horrible road bike.

You'd be better off making friends with someone with a van.

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PostPosted: 18:09 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

devojunior wrote:
just to add there is no such thing as a daytime mot its a normal mot but you get an advisory saying ligts not fiited at time of test.


True, its just known by most as a daylight only MoT!

BUT, if you do go for it, it's a good idea to carry the MoT paperwork (including advisory) with you, as not all coppers are as clued-up as they like to think, and will pull you for no lights, implying you have had a dodgy MoT done...

Have you started looking at cars & car insurance yet, or just want to avoid it?
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ted wrote:


Have you started looking at cars & car insurance yet, or just want to avoid it?


i cant afford car insurance and bike insurance at the moment im only 17 and £600 a year for my xt is bad enuff its gonna cost like 3,000 for car insurance
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats fair enough, just wondered if you had actually looked into it. When I bought my first car (Nissan Sunny 1.4 Embarassed ), my first quote was about £2,500, knocked it down to £1,400 in the end. Still steep, but really I should have picked a non-jap 1.1 or something!

Is there nobody else that races with you that could give you a lift?
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
How are you going to get it back home if you bend it?


The missus dad and little bro are heavily into their motocross. They have a huge camper and everything. How will you take all the other kit/gear you need?

Also, what happens if you bin it, you won't have 2 bikes with you.

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EDIT* with regard to the restricter, you will only find out which insurance companies *might* not ask about your restricter, after you've pulled out a policy. I've been a month with one company without asking then suddenly, I have two weeks to provide proof before being cancelled on and fined.
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