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Robby
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Taking ownership of an abandoned bike Reply with quote

I park in an NCP car park for work, and there has a been a seemingly abandoned bike there for months. Does anyone know if there is a way to claim it and take ownership?

If there is a process, I can think of a couple of flies in the ointment. It's in an NCP car park, so private land belonging to someone else, and it's on German plates.

It's been sat there for a long time now without moving or the dust being disturbed. Over 6 months, possibly a year.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if its been abandoned or not it still doesnt belong to you, so it could be theft if you remove it.
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waffles
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that you can contact the DVLA but as its on German plates I doubt they would be able to help you out. Have you tried leaving a note on the bike or contacting NCP to see if they have any owner details?
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an M reg CBR600F sitting in the local sainsburys car park with the entire seat covered in parking fines Laughing

It has literally been there a month or two just chilling getting tickets..

Girlfriend said nick it and leave an IOU Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really can't just clain it.
Chances are it's already been reported to police in case the owner dropped dead or something?
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colin1
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the NCP free for bikes or something ? If not then they may want to claim it to pay unpaid parking fees.

It may be that the owner will never will return for it, or it could be he's working abroad for a few months.

I don't know the law, but I doubt you would be able to claim it and get it registered in your name, particularly as it isnt registered with the dvla but the german equivalent.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

AmirasDaddy wrote:
Even if its been abandoned or not it still doesnt belong to you, so it could be theft if you remove it.


If it's truly been abandoned, it's not theft. But you'd need to take steps to try establish who the owner is, if anyone does own it, before taking possession. For a bike on UK plates, that'd probably be an application to the DVLA for the registered owner's details and a reasonable attempt to contact them (and you'd probably want to leave details with someone about what you've done with it so that if the owner did turn up in 30 days time, you can reunite them with it).
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a bit of a dick's game taking someone else's vehicle, regardless of if you do it "properly".
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
I think it's a bit of a dick's game taking someone else's vehicle, regardless of if you do it "properly".


Yep the poor bastard could be in a London hospital being treated for cancer for all anyone knows. If its not your vehicle, then you leave it alone.

I wouldn't like someone coming to 'claim' one of my bikes even if I hadn't ridden it for a while.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practically impossible to do it legally. German plates are regional - when you move, you have to get new plates. So it's vanishingly unlikely that you'll be able to trace the owner - if they're in Germany, what's the bike doing here? If they're not in Germany, it shouldn't be on German plates. You can ask NCP, and the local neighbourhood policing team to help: good luck with that.

Of course, you could just bag it, and put it in for an MSVA test as an imported bike. Say you bought it from Herman Ze Cherman without any documents.

Naughty, but sooner or later it'll end being blagged by pikeys then burned out or parted, won't it?

Yes, yes, Herman could turn up and be amazed - amazed - that it's not safe to leave his bike in a British public car park for 6 months. In Chermany, such things are done all ze time. But really, is it going to happen?

By the way, while you were reading this and agonising over the morality, a gyppo has probably hotwired it.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

I wouldn't like someone coming to 'claim' one of my bikes even if I hadn't ridden it for a while.


It's only going to happen if it's been properly given up on - A bike, car, whatever, left in a public car park for months at a time will eventually be picked up by the council as abandoned. It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that someone can just claim your bike because you've not ridden it for a while.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try tracking the owner by the license plate and offer him a small amount of money? just a thought...

but i agree with others. he could be seriously ill in hospital and when he finally goes out to get his prized bike and it isnt their he would be gutted
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Robby
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There all manner or moral and ethical aruments, but those who know me will know I pick and choose such things. What I'm after is the correct process, if such a thing exists. DVLA and Directgov websites were useless. Might just pick some brains over at DfT.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you please let us know the outcome. I'll be amazed if you find anyone willing to help you do it legally before the vultures have it.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been discussed on here a few times before, so worth a search.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I registered a vehicle into the UK the first thing they want is the reg document/bill of sale as proof of ownership,I'm thinking it could be cheaper and less hassle to just go buy one.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That CBR has gone now Paddy, I was thinking of doing the same, and breaking it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old boss had an original Porsche 911 kept in an underground car park in Central London. It hadn't moved for 10 years.

Anyone walking past must have assumed it had been dumped, there were stalactites forming on the bumpers after a leaky pipe dripped on it for the whole duration.

He would have been devastated if it was taken though. I guess some people just have stuff and don't use it.

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PostPosted: 10:50 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it is that you may not be able to determine who it does belong to, but you know it doesn't belong to you.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the bike's feelings into account. It's been abandoned by Herman, and is in imminent danger of being Pikied to death. It's crying out for a loving owner to feed and take care of it.
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