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 Posted: 20:27 - 05 Sep 2011  Post subject: agghh, Chinese etc... part 3 |
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Ok, its time I updated you all with my latest experiences of cheap and nasty chinese motorcycles...
If you remember I bought a second hand Baotian Speedy 50cc scooter, 3 years old, 10 000 kms, reasonably tidy...
.... well 1 000kms later I have my first problem.. and what a shocker it is! Earlier this year a major outlet serviced the bike and replaced the drive belt. One would expect 2 or 3 years of life from this..... only it failed today after only 1500kms! Stripping down the variator ready to change the belt revealed some that the variator was abused last time it was stripped, removal of the nut apparantly being done with the help of a hammer and chisel! The Variator itself is worthless scrap, mangled by the previous removal....
So now Ive had to fork out £70 in spares to replace what the garage seemingly damaged..
I would love to confront the garage however I have no evidence against them as it was the previous owner who had the bike serviced there and I have no proof that it was they that damaged the variator 
Other than that the bikes great :o
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| Posted: 03:20 - 07 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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I too am part of the Chinese Army 
Wrote off my 50cc scooter. Bought myself a Chinese 125cc geared bike. It has its downsides, but, so far I've been lucky with an apparently notorious make! 
Cost me £700.
Cheaper than the £1,000 average for Jap 125's, which're made in China or India anyway; so, not really Jap 125's...  |
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| Posted: 11:11 - 07 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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To be honest Ive probably gone a little over the top with the bits I've ordered - I maybe could get away with just a new belt and variator cage, maybe £40 worth, but Ive decided to replace a few other related parts whilst I've got it disassembled just to be on the safe side... I ordered the bits from CMPO on monday night, got an e-mail from them yesterday confirming they had been dispatched by 1st class mail and may be with me today....... pretty good service I think 
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| Frost wrote: | | ClockworkJesus wrote: | made in China or India anyway; so, not really Jap 125's... |
That's really not the point. |
They're made in China/India, by Chinese/Indian people, from Chinese/Indian parts. The point is that Chinese and Indians are perfectly capable of making decent motorcycles.
If you'd like to argue that they can only do so when a grown-up from a superior nation like Japan is watching over them, go ahead. It's the argument that Hitler would have made. 
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | ClockworkJesus wrote: | Bought myself a Chinese 125cc geared bike. It has its downsides, but, so far I've been lucky with an apparently notorious make! |
Take-away posse represent. What did you go for? |
Sukida SK125-5 "Patriot".
What it lacks in Chinese quality - I mean, Japanese quality, it makes up in having been dirt cheap to buy. Needs a brighter headlamp and a larger front sprocket, and the dials are pretty slow (Wondering if I can replace them with something more reactive!) but, it gets me around.
| Frost wrote: | A car made is a rolls royce factory is made in Britain using British and German parts. Now it one of the technicians were to go home and make a car in his shed using bits he'd made himself it'd still be british designed and made, but it'd likely be a heap of shit.
Nationality has nothing to do with it, it's standards and quality control. The japs are established designers and manufacturers who what quality control, test their bikes and care about their reputation.
The chinese bikes are made to the lowest quality possible for maximum proffit |
My little Chinese 50cc ped is no longer alive, after trying to mate with a verge.
Ironically, a friend of mine went through three mainstream peds throughout the life of mine, so, I see no evidence that Japanese small-engined bikes are any better.  And none of them crashed. |
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| Posted: 23:55 - 07 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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Thumbs up to the sprocket change, the FMI engines like them.
| Frost wrote: | A car made is a rolls royce factory is made in Britain using British and German parts. Now it one of the technicians were to go home and make a car in his shed using bits he'd made himself it'd still be british designed and made, but it'd likely be a heap of shit. |
Not quite getting your argument. Is anyone in China making bikes in their sheds? Their factories are bigger than the Japanese ones. 
| Frost wrote: | Read the MCN lately and you'd have seen the test they did between a CBR125, RS125 and chinky 125. The chink bike was brand new yet didn't make it through the test without blowing up! |
Was that print only? I can't see anything in the online version back to March, although they did test CBR125 vs R125 vs Derbi GPR125 in June.
Any chance you could dig it up, I'd like to see what "chink" bike they tested them against. They're not all the same, any more than the engine in the GPZ 305 is representative of Japanese manufacturing.
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It was in no way a comment about factory size, it was intended to illustration that nationality of workers and country of origin wasn't the deciding factor in quality, motivation was. The chinese company bikes are currently made by people who are trying to make high volume low quality bikes with little or no quality control. My mate bought a 4 stroke dirt bike (nob thought he could de-restrict it) and the things that went wrong with that was laughable. Every bulb in it blew every few weeks, the fuel tap fell of the fuel tank, the exhaust fell off due to sheered low quality bolts, the brake caliper leaked fluid all the time, the rear brake drum lasted about 500 miles, all the lugs snapped off the bodywork. Everything it was made out of was weak and brittle, if it didn't snap itself it'd snap the second you touched it.
That article was in print over 3 issues but only had a passing mention in the last issue. The bikes they used were all bought for about £1500 and were an old RS125 that was quite high milage, an old CBR125, and a brand new Lexmoto CBR copy, so an XTR125? They were all taking the piss out of the RS saying it would be ragged and would blow up, but it didn't. So it came top, the CBR second and the Lexmoto blew up. |
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| Frost wrote: | The chinese company bikes are currently made by people who are trying to make high volume low quality bikes with little or no quality control. |
Again with lumping all "the" Chinese branded bikes in together. That doesn't strike you as perhaps a little ignorant, in the non-judgemental sense of the word?
Yes, there are bad ones, plenty of them. I wouldn't touch any of the offroad-stylees, I've never heard a good story about them.
But bad experiences don't invalidate good ones, any more than the opposite is true.
| Frost wrote: | a brand new Lexmoto CBR copy, so an XTR125? |
Ah, thanks. Well, it's a fair comparison (although it's £1270 OTR new), since the XTR is a pretend-a-like CBR. It's got the same old CG 125 cloned pushrod lump as most other Chinese branded bikes though, which is not generally the weak point if treated well. I have to wonder, did they rag it solidly from brand new? I can't imagine any bike enjoying that.
If you stay away from the themed Chinese-branded bikes and stick to the commuters, there's not much to go wrong with them, and what does go wrong is fairly easily and cheaply sorted. It's still a gamble, and a used Japanese or European branded bike is a far more sensible choice, but they're not all inevitably awful.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Yes, there are bad ones, plenty of them. I wouldn't touch any of the offroad-stylees, I've never heard a good story about them. |
Well, I'll give you one. '97 Jialing JH125L, bought for approx £300. In that time, I replaced front tyre, C&S, and brake shoes front and rear. The only thing that went wrong in the time I owned it, was the flasher relay failed. All parts I replaced with were from the 1970's XL125, bought from Wemoto. Sure, the exhaust pipe between the head and the end pipe rusted regular, but nothing a bit of Hammerite VHT paint wouldn't sort. Once it was done, I think I repainted it by brush every 6 months. No biggie. Never failed an MOT either.  |
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And now I've heard a good story. My world makes no sense. NO SENSE!
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It gets ragged a lot, but runs out of breath quickly. 
Think the bike was probably designed for someone heavier than I!
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