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PostPosted: 15:22 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Lady drink-driver who killed a biker... Reply with quote

Please all have a look at this on Pistonheads and do what you think is right......

(I'm in no way afflifiated to the case, but do think it's important enough to share).
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. I don't think it is right for the relatives to include a petition signed by a load of indignant angry strangers in their impact assessment for this woman's early release.

It smacks of desperation to me. As much as I hate drink drivers, and I hate the fact that this poor guy (who was a biker) was killed, I can't sign the petition. It doesn't really mean anything.

What happened doesn't have a direct effect on us people of the internet, and so I don't think we should be included in the impact assessment, especially when it is impossible for us to know the full facts of the case.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=205566

The whore deserves to rot.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its more the fact she went down for 6 years.

Has done 6 months for killing someone.

And is trying to get out because she can't handle prision.



Can she handle not drinking and getting in a car again?
Is she jsut looking for an early exit out of prison.

To me, the petition is to keep a drunk driver, who killed someone, then drove off, in prison. In which case, it can be anyone.

I think its more the reasoning and the fact the family received no support, yet I bet this womens getting support from lots of people in the service (councillers, helpers etc).
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they let her out it is moronic, What next rapist wants out of prision because the food isn't that great?

She murdered someone, I think 6 years is very generous for taking away somebodies life.


If I had done what she had done I would have served every minute of that 6 year sentence. I couldn't even have the concious to even try to get early release.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already signed it, making this point:

Serving your time is not optional. Prison is supposed to be unpleasant. If it's not, then where is the deterrant?


Probably futile, but by Dawkins, if anyone deserves a rant, it's this case.

From reading the background, she has shown no remorse for the chain of selfish, angry drama queen actions that led to her killing a chap, or even much acceptance that she was responsible for them.

As soon as it was apparent that she wasn't going to be able to wiggle out of it by hiding in a ditch, she went for the "poow wikkle girl" mitigation and got herself on anti depressants. I'm surprised she's left it so long before trying the "prison is too icky for me!" gambit.

My fervent hope is that she fumbles a fake suicide attempt and tops herself.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not about the fact that this person is Joe Bloggs to us internet folks, it's about stopping the system we call justice in this country making a mug out of another innocent party. I've signed it for that reason.

Every part of thats selfish cows actions contributed to the death of that guy and she didn't even have the decency to hold her hands up and admit that she was wrong. She should have been held accountable for manslaughter for her inactions.

Personally I think she deserves to rot in hell but then that might breach her human rights....
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've signed it..

Agree with the thought that it should be hard for her, she took a life so she has to bear the weight of this. This biker got no option, why should she? Prisons meant to teach people a lesson and cant be treated like some kind of camp where "Oh i dont like it here anymore" gets you out. Its not an option, you've done the crime, serve your time and learn from it. You've taken the action, so have agreed to take the consequence.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well if its so hard for her, just leave her. Hopefully she will commit suicide. And that will be one less waste of Oxygen off the planet.

But on a more serious note, she has to deal with it,she tooks someones life and once she is released she can get back to normality, the bikers family have to live with the consequences of her actions for the rest of their life's.

So fuck her!!!

Petition signed by the way Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

signed
really feel for the family who know that the callous cunt that killed there friend/family member will be walking around wile he's 6 foot under.
she shouldv got a life sentence simple as that.
This "oh i cant handle prison it was a mistake" shite doesnt wash with me.
reminds me of a guy i used to go to school with, brutally murdered a guy for accidently burning his football top in the pub, turned himself in the next day, i remember his sis and his mum coming out with the same pish, "oh he's really sorry for what he did" blah blah, the guy only served about 7 years Rolling Eyes
justice system in this country is fucking pathetic.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed, could've been me! Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS!

Nowhere has anyone said she can't handle prison. She APPLIED for early release because of 'hardship'. No one has said what hardship, nor the likelihood of her application being accepted. If I were related to the victim I'm pretty sure I'd want to put it behind me rather than trying to whip up internet fervour in order to make a (IMO very weak) case to keep her in Jail.

I actually don't think her appeal will be successful even if the relatives don't get involved, but that is based upon the description of the facts in the Pistonheads thread. We've no way of knowing how true that is.

Don't forget that 10 Pence Short on Pistonheads was imprisoned because he went out for a 'spirited' drive and ended up causing an accident. This could happen to ANY One of us (except perhaps Hetzer as he doesn't currently own a bike Wink ). That isn't the same as drink driving and then leaving the scene, but as I said, we don't know the whole facts of the case.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed. From the facts available, she hit a biker while drink driving, then ran away. She deserves to rot in the most hellish place on earth.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rowey wrote:
Signed. From the facts available, she hit a biker while drink driving, then ran away. She deserves to rot in the most hellish place on earth.


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PostPosted: 19:48 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Setting out in a car when drunk is forgivable, having an accident quite possibly due to being drunk, is also forgivable.

Leaving someone to die is not forgivable.

I don't know all the facts, but that's what stands out from the account given.

Well thats what I thought until I read

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8965215.Drink_drive_killer_jailed/

It turns out she did report the crash so she didnt exactly leave him to die, just fled to try to save herself.

So I guess her sins are forgivable, but I think consequences for actions are a good thing.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
As simple as that.

Hope she meets a good handful of Bikers in prison.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

It turns out she did report the crash so she didnt exactly leave him to die, just fled to try to save herself.

So I guess her sins are forgivable, but I think consequences for actions are a good thing.


She left him laying in the middle of a motorway at night time to die, it says in the link you posted that other motorists stopped to prevent him being hit by other vehicles. She didn't, She phoned 999 but it was pretty pointless. It also says she was found near by in her car stuck in a ditch, so she could have well phoned after crashing for the second time realizing that she was pretty stuffed.

If I killed somebody by accident I'd want to serve my sentence out of respect and to try and move on. What exactly does 'hardship' mean? surely thats the point of a prison sentence?
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont care what her "hardship" is she deserves whatever it is regardless, prison SHOULD be a deterrent NOT an inconvenience.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think manslaughter is a joke, especially in cases like this. If you're drinking alcohol, then get behind a wheel knowing full well it's illegal and highly dangerous, then you should be held fully responsible for your actions. It's murder, you killed him, you didn't just 'cause' it, you did it with your own hands and you should face the full force (ha, that's a joke) of the legal system.

One man has lost his life, a whole network of people have been destroyed by this, and this stupid b*tch is claiming hardship? She doesn't know the meaning of the word. I think six years is too lenient. If you kill someone, you do life, period.

This country makes me sick. Murderers and Paedophiles have more rights than law-abiding citizens, and justice is never served.

I hope she is made to atone for her actions, both inside and when she inevitably gets out.

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PostPosted: 20:39 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed.... I hope she serves her entire sentence.
She did a bad thing and behaved like selfish coward after the event Evil or Very Mad .

No sympathy!
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've signed it, not so much for the reason she was drunk, not even cause she is trying to get out early, but because the bitch did a runner. She might have been able to save him or flag down someone that could help.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I signed it this morning.

My thoughts are do the crime, do the time. I don't know what hardship she's encountering and I don't particularly care nor does it mitigate what happened by her phoning 999 after she had already fled the scene in her car! She got into her car drunk and drove it causing a fatal accident and then fled the scene. Mentally impaired (drunk) or not she took a calculated risk and lost. Whether it was a biker, pedestrian or another car driver/passenger, she caused their death and as such she should serve her full sentence. Prison is not meant to be a place where everything is easy. It's meant to be hard. People inside have had children, partners and other relatives die whilst they were inside and they have not been allowed to go to the funerals or been released early so what could possibly cause her that much hardship that she needs to be released after 6 months! That's called taking the living p*ss!
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Hmm. I don't think it is right for the relatives to include a petition signed by a load of indignant angry strangers in their impact assessment for this woman's early release.

It smacks of desperation to me. As much as I hate drink drivers, and I hate the fact that this poor guy (who was a biker) was killed, I can't sign the petition. It doesn't really mean anything.

What happened doesn't have a direct effect on us people of the internet, and so I don't think we should be included in the impact assessment, especially when it is impossible for us to know the full facts of the case.


I'm not entirely against your thinking. This is what I posted on the PH thread following similar discussions:

defblade wrote:
I wasn't going to sign initally due to not knowing about the case as such except from the one side given... but then I realised that, as well as a possible effect on the particular woman involved, a large number of signatures would mean:


those who signed would perhaps think twice in a similar situation because of their involment here, and the number of supporters

others, who maybe don't sign, would see the level of support and would possibly through peer pressure encourage them to behave better under temptation

the courts/justice system would see the level of feeling and maybe remember it when dealing with similar cases in the future



To me, signing is not entirely about this one case.

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 08 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
FFS!


Indeed.


MarJay wrote:
Nowhere has anyone said she can't handle prison.


Do some reading on the background of this case. She set this up by claiming depression early doors. This isn't a court of law, we don't need beyond reasonable doubt standards of proof.

MarJay wrote:
This could happen to ANY One of us


Speak strictly for yourself, please.


MarJay wrote:
we don't know the whole facts of the case.


Nobody does, except her and the Baby Jesus. We'll just have to judge based on the facts that we do know. They're bad enough.
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