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 Posted: 01:06 - 09 Sep 2011  Post subject: Do i need a CBT and Ls? |
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Hello
Just wondering but ive got a car licence and was wanting to ride my Derbi senda 50cc again that ive had for years. However do i need to do a CBT, ive already done one when i was 16 but it has now expired and do i need to display L plates
Thanks for any help
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If its <= 50cc and its "design speed" doesn't exceed X where X is 30mph, 50kph (~31mph) or 45kph (~28mph) depending which particular statute or C&U regs you care to believe, then it's a moped. Gears vs twist-and-go makes no difference.
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| Posted: 14:57 - 09 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | If its <= 50cc and its "design speed" doesn't exceed X where X is 30mph, 50kph (~31mph) or 45kph (~28mph) depending which particular statute or C&U regs you care to believe, then it's a moped. Gears vs twist-and-go makes no difference. |
Inless it was built before 1977 and can be proppelled by pedals alone; in which case, provided it remains less than 50cc it is exempt from speed or power limitations; or was built between 1977 & 1996, when it need not have pedals, but not have more than 3.5bhp or be able to attain a speed greater than 35mph +/-5mph....
You know; the amount of confusion caused by something so piddlingly SMALL..... the ruddy rules governing mopeds and power assisted pedestrian vehicles... (electric bikes!)
WHY they just cant DITCH the frigging catagory; let 16 year olds have 125's, and every one with current 'moped' by dint of car licence an A1 group instead..... and say anything with two wheels and an ENGINE is a MOTORBIKE, I don't know.....
Personally I blame Jasper Carrot........
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Lets be honest, most 2t 50cc bikes exceed 30mph. 
But ye, you can ride it without L plates and can carry a pillion.
Although you could get pulled by the cops now and again, due to it being a small capacity motorcycle/moped, that won't have any L's on it.
More than likely that won't happen, but you should be prepared for the possibility. |
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| Posted: 01:02 - 10 Sep 2011 Post subject: |
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Thank you ever so much for the replys, bit of a grey area isnt it.
anyway i looked at when i passed what. I passed my car test last march so march 2010 and i did my cbt at the start of september 2008.
Never thought about carrying pillions can i do this as well..... i was more concerned if i needed another CBT or Ls.
I know the real answer is ditch the 50cc and get a full hog bike licence but moneys tight when your young and i just want it for a cheap (very cheap on fuel that is) commute.
Once again cheers for the help
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So the CBT doesnt run out (dont they last 2 years) if you get a car licence within the 2 years. my driving licence card says B, B1, f,k,p is everyones like this or is it because ive done a CBT as well
Thanks
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This website seems to be good with its diagram, problem seems to be that i did the CBT first then got a car licence therefore do i have full moped licence (no Ls, no CBT every 2 years, pillions allowed) this website doesnt have my route on there diagram
https://www.best-motorcycle-information.com/moped-licence.html
Just looked on the back of my licence card and it says P but in the codes section it has (122) looked that up and it says valid on successful completion of the CBT
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Sorry for the amount of posts, think ive nailed it
DVLA state that if you do a CBT then within the (2 year expiry date) you do i car licence then you have full moped rights straight away and that the CBT last the life of the licence.
found here: at the bottom of the page
https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_4022430
computid, neil. , Stinger and rtarnell karma goes out to you as you were all correct 
one last point does that mean pillions allowed as well, not like i have anyone to go on the back, its just interesting to know ?
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It's a bit of perverse logic; give a kid a pair of plastic scissors and they'll try chewing the curtains to bits with them.... give them a pair of tailors shears... and they walk around holding them properly, and putting them back in the draw when they are done.
50's dont engender any 'respect'; WE propper bikers dont give them any; we hardly give 'tiddlers' very much.... so what hope do we have of instilling the 'right' attitude in the newbies from the start?
Give them a 125... somethiung that can be quick enough to scare them.... get them afraid, get them showing it a bit of 'Respect'....
And get them up the ladder on bigger bikes ASAP.... rather than holding them back; 'saving them from themselves' making them, as effectively now, and for sure after 3rd directive, suffer a 50 for a year, learning no more than its slow, and cant keep up with traffic, and you get bullied into the gutter and have to ride everywhere with the taps wide open.... then two years on a 12bhp 125, that for a month, might impress them.... but by the time their CBT has been repeated, they are riding like the moped, ragging the shit out of it everwhere, becouse it HAS to be ragged to stay with traffic on 60mph roads....
What does this 'aprenticeship', that continues with two years on a 33bhp twin, that only just nudges the ton, and has to be ridden with the taps wide to get just 'moderate' performance from it?
To ride everywhere, with the taps wide open, ragging the arse of anything they sit on....
THEN after five years BAD experience, learning how to NOT respect the machine, and over-coming 'fear', 'protected' from themselves by the draconian restrictions...... and with a few years NCB under thier belt..... they go 'treat' themselves to a ZX6R.... becouse they are now, in thier heads, an 'experienced' rider.... and quite expert.... look how they rag the shit out of thier GPz5?
And WHAT is the result of opening the taps on a ZX6R and riding it like you stole it?
Well, bikes so competant, it goes, VERY VERY FAST indeed... but with no warning, flattering the rider even more, convincing them ever more surely they are the 'expert' experienced rider of thier minds eye, until, they find the limit.... with a BANG...
14... get them young and impressionable.
Lets ditch this L-Plate Lunacy...... let them have an A1 Licence at 14... that's a restricted 125, but only after training up, DAS style (as almost all training & tests will have to be after 3rd Directive) under radio supervision.
So, they can have it 'young', but only if trained and qualified...... IE: while young and impressionable; you encourage them to get trained and LEARN stuff the right way, right from the beginning...... and you get them 'qualified'....
Hold them back a bit, sure.... under 16 licence conditions... no pillions, no motrorways, and a Kerfew.... Daylight hours only....
At 16, pottentially with a couple of years experience under thier belt WHEN IT MATTERS, and they are starting to get cocky..... THEN you up the bar....
If they have got thier A1 at 14 or 15, sixteenth birthday, restrictions expire, and they can carry pillions, use motorways and ride in the dark.
BUT, open another door for them..... offer them a BIG bike..... let them train for an A2 licence.... and let them have up to 500cc of machine, and I'd say around 60bhp to play with, and a reasonable minimum weight limit.... IF they have met standards......
Offer them the carrot, not JUST the stick.....
THEN.... let them progress... and after two year qualifying period on A2, they can retest on big bike for unrestricted licence.
And I would ditch the DAS scheme; 21? 24? 40?age really doesn't make THAT much difference to attitude.
If we want to 'ramp' the learning process, so newbies cant step straight on to mega-bikes, and make them climb the ladder, then DAS has to go, and each licence has to be done, sequentially, each mile-stone qualified by holding lower licence for set period, or makes a mockery of the whole system.
BUT; only viable IF milestones and awards are 'realistic', and at the moment they aren't; the system is actually UNHELPFUL, becouse rather than weening folk in and encouraging them up the ladder....
Well the bottom rung is too high, then the first couple of rungs are barely a foots gap between them; then a yard up to the next one; with loads of nails sticking out of it; yard to the next with more nails.... and some-one says, "Why dont you just wait, and take the lift?"
Get them young, and impressionable; before teenage angst has seen them get cocky and 'know it all' and unresponsible to learning.... bbut also give them SOMETHING 'tangible'.... when you are a teenager, the world is harsh and unfair and cruel, and 'grown ups' treat you like a KID ferfucks sake! And hold you back, and make everything difficult!
Offering them a shit-box moped THEN is just adding insult to injury; want them to show respect, need to be given a bit to start with...
And Yeah, I'd trust a 16 year old, on a 125... I'd trust a 16 year old on a 500! IF they have got the right attitude, and been given the right 'skills' to handle it......
And bludy good chance that a 16 year old, in a GS500 or GPz5, having HAD the right stuff instilled in them, on a bike thats NOT looked down on, would SHINE in the 'responsibility' they have been entrusted with, and it would be self perpetuating....
Only takes one or two 'kids' to step up to the mark, and have a 'propper' bike in teh college bike shed, and the kiddie go-kwiks with thier tuned speed-fighters... well, not quite so 'cool' are they? And peer pressure works.
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| andyscooter wrote: | would you trust most 16 year old to ride at 60 mph |
It could be classified as survival of the fittest. Think about it, these days doctors keep everything alive, so much so, there is no natural selection anymore...so the human species is getting overrun with numpty's everywhere, some who may not have survived through childbirth, had been left alone....
Society then wraps them up in cotton wool all the way through their childhood...i.e. not letting them out of sight, helmets on cycles, safety nazi's everywhere, no element of risk.
It could be for the good of the human race... 
(disclaimer: above said light-heartedly with tongue placed in cheek)
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