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footlong8
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Engine change! Should alarm bells be ringing Reply with quote
Ok finally spotted a bike for sale, that looks decent, within my budget and has reasonably low miles. it currently has not tax or mot.

the seller said: The engine was changed at 13,080 miles with a salvage one and a basic service was done at that point.

Should i steer well clear? im wondering if its been thrashed to death?

would appreciate your thoughts! cheers!
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P.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I changed the engine in my CBR125 at 21000 miles for an engine that had 5000 miles.
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Ted
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
As long as its the same engine, and same cc, I don't see a problem.

Bear in mind though, that if he's not already done it, you will need to change the engine number on the logbook, encase you get tugged by the DVLA or VOSA at any point.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
It wouldn't necessarily put me off. He (presumably) took a broken engine out and put a working one in - you're getting the benefit of that.

However, it might put other people off, so bear that in mind when money is changing hands.
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AlexW
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wouldn't be put off as long as the change looked to be done well and everything is fitted correctly etc, Just basic stuff when buying a bike really.

Insurance may want to declare it as a mod but thats up to you if you tell them. DVLA/VOSA will care but I know of loads of cars on the road with the V5 still saying the old engine number, Including some engines without a engine number on it!
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Chriss
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 22 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
AlexW wrote:
Insurance may want to declare it as a mod


Not if it's like for like, it's not been modified at all. Like having to declare a new tyre because the old one's punctured.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
its a 2004 SV650...
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Kwaks
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chriss wrote:
AlexW wrote:
Insurance may want to declare it as a mod


Not if it's like for like, it's not been modified at all. Like having to declare a new tyre because the old one's punctured.



It is a mod, trust me. Tyres do not have indvidual identifying markers like engines, so it is not a straight swop even though the engines may be similar(same yeaqr ets).

Insurance see it as a mod, there is no arguing as it is their contract, in addition most will insist on an engineers report to confirm it was fitted by a competent person.

unless the price was very good and the report available i would walk away as it could become a ballache at insurance and mot time.

And why does it not have an mot? first alarm on a bike with an engine swop
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwaks wrote:
It is a mod, trust me.


I tend to go with "trust, but verify"[1]

If it's been re-registered with the new engine number, how would an insurer or an MOT tester even know? AFAIK, there's no previous V5C history available to the current keeper let alone to anyone else.

[1] Which is the polite political way of saying "My opponent is a liar, he'll probably even deny that he has sex with farm animals". Wink
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Chriss
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwaks wrote:
It is a mod, trust me.


I disagree. I've experience in the insurance industry, particularly with claims, and have just contacted my insurance brokers to check what they want, since they're the ones dealing with my insurance. For my three policies, with three different companies and two brokers, if I change the engine like for like, year for year, etc, it makes no difference to them.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwaks wrote:
It is a mod, trust me. Tyres do not have indvidual identifying markers like engines, so it is not a straight swop even though the engines may be similar(same yeaqr ets).

Insurance see it as a mod, there is no arguing as it is their contract, in addition most will insist on an engineers report to confirm it was fitted by a competent person.

unless the price was very good and the report available i would walk away as it could become a ballache at insurance and mot time.


Seriously dude what the fuck are you talking about?
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footlong8
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah. think il walk away from this one either way...

cheers for the comments!
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Engine change! Should alarm bells be ringing Reply with quote
footlong8 wrote:
the seller said: The engine was changed at 13,080 miles with a salvage one and a basic service was done at that point.


Obvious question.....

What milage did the replacement engine have....

And why was the old one changed, as that could give you a insight as to how the seller care's about their bike.
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