Bikers asked for views on anti-tampering plans

[tatfan]

Taken from a link on MCN website. Might be usefull to someone on here.

https://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2011-26

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[tatfan]

I've just had a quick read through, from what I can tell, it's not as bad as a lot of people are making out. Our Government are against the anti tamper measure, they want to keep the SVA, and they are against the 2nd and 3rd stages of emission control that the EU want. Most major bike manufactures all ready have the stage 1 on their bikes, so they agree to it. It also seems that although they agree with all new bikes most have ABS or CBS, they think it will make new entry level bikes to expensive too expensive, so an alternative should be looked for.
I'm expecting to get flamed for it, but I think our Governments policy isn't actually that bad. I just hope all the other countries go with us, and not the EU!

[Rogerborg]

Yup, the current lot seem to be fairly sensible. However, there are a few issues in the actual EU proposal - which effect owners - that they don't seem to have considered. We might be as well to focus on those.

I know you posted this in the right place, but from experience, Biking News gets fewer readers than General Bike Chat, so I've posted it there as well.
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[DuNkZz1993]

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/5334

this is the petition to sign if you against this legislation, please give your signature.

Before you say this isnt going to get passed im not taking the chance as their is a good chance of this happening.

please inform as many people as you can of this petition we need 100,000 signatures.
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[LordShaftesbu...]

Err ... that's a "pertition", whatever that is.

I almost didn't sign it because of that. I mean, how will it make us look when it's presented? It's embarrassing.

[Rogerborg]

ME AM FIND CRAYOWN TO SINE PERTITION WITH!!!!!11!

I'd suggest that you respond to the consulation first, and then tail on that "pertition" if you've still got your rage on.
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[Nufkamp]

My views on anti-tampering are 'no, fuck off', and that should be the view of every rider. Who the fuck are these cunts to tell me I cant put a different rear tyre on MY bike to what the manufacturer fitted? One of the first changes I made to my Trumpy was to swap the God-awful-in-the-damp Metzlers for a set of Avons.
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[LordShaftesbu...]

[LordShaftesbu...]

Must remember to get round to this ...

[el_oso]

the CBS shouldn't be allowed. there are certain situations where you should only use the back brake. i.e. mid corner if you have to.
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[kenjh]

if you want to destroy something ,give it to Government ,study it to death ..what you do there affects us over here ,protect your corner of sanity ..I do not like the new bikes.I will NOT buy a new bike .my newest bike is a 87 ..I understand the need for environment protection ,but there is no way in hell a motorcycle needs a catalytic converter ,,ABS brakes ?? practices your riding skills ..why do the safety freaks need to complicate things ?? one day they will outlaw motorcycles ,
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[ninja_butler]

Am I the only person who can't make head or tail of the proposal document? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what it means.

[Dazbo666]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[Rogerborg]

Reading the actual wording of the proposed directive - and you should read it, don't accept the assurances of a politician who probably hasn't - the story is:

Mechanisms to reduce evaporative fuel loss (for realsies).
Swingeing emissions controls, far beyond what most current engines can achieve.
Mandatory ABS (or linked brakes on <=125cc) with no means to turn it off.
Mandatory anti tamper components from airbox through to rear tyre.
Illegal to modify any of those components with non-approved parts.
Illegal to supply 'race' parts. How racers are supposed to get them is a mystery.
Mandatory spy-chips that at a minimum will have to warn you (and rat you out, remember this will be illegal) if any non-standard components are installed. You can bet that manufacturers will take the opportunity to have the 2nd generation ones cripple the bike until you've paid a dealer to bless it.
No fun on bikes, at any time, ever.

I'm not being in any way hyperbolic. This is just a plain reading of the proposed wording. OK, the last point is inferred, but it's pretty clear.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[LordShaftesbu...]

^ All true

[kenjh]

it's alway's good to have someone that can understand "legalese"and explain what we are going to lose ..so how to protect ourselves ???
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[kenjh]

yah protest ..been on the receiving end of a police baton for standing to close to protesters..write the politicians ..I vote ,,and never see progress on important issues,,damm am I getting cynical or just angry..
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[LordShaftesbu...]

Here is something else you can do that will take all of 30 seconds:

https://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a6877

[kenjh]

work .to pay bills ..work on the bike ..or have a ride..before the lawmakers win and riding is no longer allowed ,or hide in the shop ..till they take that away because I am not licensed and have dangerous tools and things not safe in the hands of others ,,how long before it is taken away in the drive to protect us ..
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[LordShaftesbu...]

[Andy_Pagin]

Responses sent
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