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not when your stuck in traffic  i was meaning something that would have the power to overtake easily at lower speed as alot of my riding will be in and around busy traffic hence the reason of getting a bike because atm it is taking me 30mins in my car to travel 3-4mile because of rush hour traffic. |
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Depends on where you want the acceleration. Initial acceleration at low revs tends to not go with good acceleration at high revs (you tend to get good bottom end or good top end power, rarely both but quite often neither). Gear it down and you will get better low speed acceleration at the expense of changing gear more quickly which may be a pain with round town use (especially when you have a copper behind you and are trying to be subtle).
Any should be able to keep ahead of traffic bimbling around 30 limits. And it might be best to go for to less powerful but lazy bike just to avoid drawing attention to yourself.
As I am sure you know if it is derestricted then legally you can't ride it on a learner licence.
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For a 2 stroke... DT125  They can be put in SM form quite easy.
Could even look at a Derbi GPR Nude, not exactly an SM, but a Yam DT engine.
Just remember you are forking out a fair whack for some decent 2 stroke oil and less mpg than its 4 stroke brethren. |
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Have you ever ridden a motorbike before?
Have you any idea, reletively speaking what is fast and whats just a bit brisk?
Put the cart before the horse; have you done CBT? Got a licence? Checked insurance?
At the moment we are on count down 14 months remaining till licence laws change and you wont be able to test for 'big-bike' licence on a 125.... THAT tends to be the more important thing to people that know.
Meanwhile, 125's are NOT reletively speaking 'fast' especially ones you can legally ride on a Learner Licence.
They ARE however brisk enough; even the 'boring' little four stroke commuters, to 'make good progress' filtering through congested traffic.
Meanwhile; learners who know bog all; and start with the question WHATS FASTEST... tend to be on a fast track to grief, and pain....
Care to start over?
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Would still prefer an NSR over an off road bike.
But would prefer a sumo DT over the NSR  |
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haha "little arsehole" i dont want to be one of them. I wont be using mine to show off like he probably does mine will be more for commuting and the odd cruise when the weather is nice |
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£125.50 gets you a license and access to a much wider range of bikes that will actually do what you want. It's a no-brainer.
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| Vale46 wrote: | Yes i have ridden a motorbike before i've had motorcross bikes and had an Aprilia Rs50 when i was 16 (which according to the clock done 75mph but probably more like 60-65) but i got rid of it cos i got my driving license. From my motocross experience i was thinking that a ktm exc or husqvarna sms would be a good choice but these are expensive and hard to find. |
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| Kickstart wrote: | Off road and supermotos are not ideal for that. Flying crucifix riding position isn't great for top speed / good cruising speed nor for comfort.
Add to that some having tiny fuel tanks.
Holding traffic up isn't the issue. Only time you will do that is if you just sit in the overtaking lane. Otherwise you just need reasonable observation to adjust your speed to reach anything you want to overtake as a decent size gap appears in the overtaking lane. |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | £125.50 gets you a license and access to a much wider range of bikes that will actually do what you want. It's a no-brainer. |
We get to the conclusion I expected.
125's have two purposes on paved public roads; providing cheap utiliterian, bus-fare beating way to and from; and or allowing you to utilise the 'legacy-privilidge' of laws from before practical radio superviusion; to ride one unsupervised ahead of taking tests..... in the SPIRIT of that law in order to PRACTICE for test.... not ride indefinitely doing everything you want to do with or on a motorbike..... HENCE the restricted capacity and performance to restrict you to highly compromised little bikes to begin with expressely to discourage you from trying to do EVERYTHING on one, and to try and encourage you to do what every other motorised road user has to; 'TEST'....
So hard facts; bikes are great; you've ridden dirt; you know that. I came up from School-Boy; one word of advice DONT get cocky; road riding is a very different deal, and the balence and machine control you aquire on dirt means shit. USEFUL, but but no great advantage. Time in cars, dealing with traffic systems, likewise useful; BUT riding propper bikes on propper road, skill set is quite different and biggest asset is Extra Sensory Perception.... something you only aquire doing it, and dodging death long enough to 'TUNE IN' to the spirits!
What you WANT, is not a Super-Moto, or a fast accelerating 125; well, may be.... but your 'REMIT' of requirements boild down thus:
1/ Cheap - Get to College every Day city Commuter
2/ Occassional By-Pass Basher getting home.
And I have juts described a 250-500 'Commuter Twin'.
They are the generic 33bhp restricted licence bikes; and are coparitively speaking bang on the money.
Suzuki GS500; folk knock them becouse they are rather limpid and uninspiring and demand a bit more user maintenence than more modern design alternatives like the CB500 or GPz500s. But its a bench-mark.
First of all, its Group 7 Insurance listed. Its one of the the lowest grouped 500's and actually sits in teh same group as the 'sports' two stroke 125's.
The Sports 125's are heavily loaded on insurance; first becouse they are ridden mostly by learners that by defanition dontr know how to ride them..... and all RIDING is is getting from point a to point b without falling off...... so they get crashed a lot! They also get nicked a lot; newbie, know nothing riders, know nothing; and they leave thier bikes in places they are easily nicked; and usually more interested in go-faster goodies than accessory security; make them very attractive to twockers AND easy to take..... and DIRT bikes, and dirt bike derived Super-Moto's that can be stripped and sold on as field bikes or stripped and sold on as 'spares' for SM project bikes DOUBLY loaded.
I'll give you an idea; I am 40 Years old; Held my licence twenty odd years; Insurance for my 1993 £1500 Honda CB750 is £80 a year, TPFT. I have a 'Classic' Air-Cooled Yamaha DT125, same value, same security, same rider, £120 a year TPFT... thats 50% MORE to insure a dirt wheel 'tiddler' than it is a big bore road bike..... ALL becouse of the nickability and crashability of the things.
And as a STUDENT (you said going to Uni...) BE WARNED.... presumption from comment about 'riding home' is you are living away; in halls of digs? Yes/No?
Right; Stick Student in your 'Occupation' and they will load insurance; Students are, (we presume) young, immature and irresponsible, living a wild and wreckless life style, while foot-loose and fancy free..... (Hence involving any vehicles they have to hand in thier wild and wreckless antics)
For a 19 year old living at home; riding to and from paid work every day; can expect on a 'sensible' 125 something in the order of £200 a year premium. Same lad declaring as a Student, goes up by £50 - £100 a year or loads 15-30%
So odds are against you just declaring that one.
BUT; the other thing is; you NEED to 'Declare' away living, and make SURE that you tick the boxes on ionsurance form for + Commuting, if you are going to ride the thing to campus every day.
It is something they ARE getting more 'cute' on. And again, bumpes premiums. Smiler on here boght my last project bike, expecting £200 insurance; when he checked box for + Commuting, expecting it to make little or no difference, jumped to nearly £300... it IS a 30% ish loader.
And THEN you have the 'where normally kept' clauses; and once upon a time (like when I was at Uni... and Dons still wore leather elbow knitwear and looked like extras from an OU TV Lecture......Apart from the 'odd' trendy one that tried to look like Ben Elton!), they asked your 'home address'; so you stuck down Mummy & Daddy's.... and no more these days they actually ASK specifically where the bike will 'usually' be kept.... ie whats your Digs addy..... and they base premium on THAT post code....
I went from selubriouse address in Stratford upon Avon, where we left the keys in cars; they were so safe! To Levesulme in Manchester..... then Coventry HillFields.... where you didn't!
SO be ready for THAT little kicker.....
Oh... and I presume you are an under 25 year old male.... who we KNOW will be an adrenaline crazed petrol head, speed junkie, with no sense of self preservation, and a completely wreckless and irresponsible menace on the road who can expect to pay three or four times per year what any one, who has reached thier 25th birthday and instantly turned into an OAP more concerned with their pension contributions....
AND you are a STUDENT.... which again, is another presumption; suggests low income; 'maintenence grant' to live on, top up loans and over draft... and wreckless spending at the behginning of term when cheques come in, followed by beans on toast and scrounging off mates or hoping for a care package from home, towards the end......
The ecconomics, I would presume would be FAR more important than the performance!
So start; checking soem Insurance comparison sites, and JUST for teh sake of amusiement; use your details on the following:
1997 Suzuki GS500 £1200
2005 Yamaha YBR125 £1200
2003 Yamaha DT125R £1600 (Duel Purpose)
2003 Yamaha DT125X £1600 (Factory Motard)
1996 Yamaha DT125R £1200 (Modified To Motard, with TZR125 Wheels)
1994 Yamaha TDR125 £900 (ORiginal 'factory' Street-Tard)
2001 Aprillia RS125 £1100
2002 Honda NSR125 £1100
2001 Honda CG125 £900
1995 Kawasaki GPz500s £900
If you want to check out my asperations about declaring 'Student', away living and +commuting on the policy; play with teh settings and see; SOMTIMES you get anomolies...
BUT; I think the excersize may be an eye-openier for you.
Tax on a 125 is only £16 a year, I think its £33 on a 500, might be £45 which seems a big difference, but its still 'cheap'; and compared to insurance prices likely to be neglible; and in the big bag of ecconomics tending to nothing.
GS500 os a genuine 70mpg motorcycle. They SAY you get more out of 125's and 'oght' to get 100+. You CAN, and choose something like a YBR125 or CG and treat it like it is designed to be treated... and keep it in its 'element' 30/40mph urban roads, you will see that, maybe more. Start ragging it down the duel carriageway you wont; Treat a CG or YBR hard and you can be nudging the numbers a GS500 returns SIMPLY becouse with so little performance to start with you are using more of it, more of the time.
Sports 125's? Well they wont do 100mpg to begin with. Look at some of the specs on them; 70mpg omn them is GOOD going. Some of them, hard used you can be dropping into the 30's; AND you have to chuck in high quality two stroke oil at a ratio of aproximately 50:1 so for every 50L of £1.35/l petrol you stick in the tank, you'll be bunging in a litre of £10-15 Mutul or Silkolene... puts the price of a gallon up from notional 'fiver' to £7ish.....
SO.... 500 is as likely to be cheaper to insure, AND cheaper on fuel.... What elce is there? Maintenence & consumables.
Yes; big bikes cost more to run; they have more cylinders and need more attension, and 'bits' are bigger and more expensive. But, 500 Commuter Twins are built for ecconomy, and in actual fact, prices need not be much different. Suzuki GS I believe actually takes smaller and cheaper tyres, that actually last longer, than an Aprillia RS125....
All swings and roundabouts; BUT, actual ecconomics, a 500 Cumuter twin COULD actually be far more 'affordable' than a sporty 125. As WELL as offering much 'more' performance than a 125 can, and comfort, and reliability, and go check prices! They are CHEAPER to buy, and a lot of them FAR less thrashed and abused and in MUCH better shape, than whats been in the hands of a no nothing newbies for however long!
Which brings us back to Roger's comment that Tests only cost £121.50 more than CBT.
And MY earlier comment that AT THE MOMENT, we are on count down to 3rd Directive licence laws changes that will STOP any-one from 'Testing' for a big bike liccence on a 125.
New licence laws you will have to test DAS style on a bike 'typical' of the class. So you will only be able to test for A1 125 'only' licence on a 125, you will have to test on 45bhp 500 for an A2 (permenantly restricted BTW and wioth age limit going up to 19 for test) and as current DAS a full power machine, practically a 650+ for 'full' unrestricted licence, age going up to 24....
SO 500 would be more useful, to you, BUT you need licence to ride one.... so what do you do to get licence?
Well, you could do a course and uyse hire bikes; but generally same sort of prices as DAS courses, you ar elooking around £700 mark.
Cheaper to get your own 125 to train on; which brings us BACK to looking at 125's..... BUT with a completely different remit, and THAT is for a bike that doesn't have to serve other purposes BUT get you a licence.
The Learner Commuter YBR125 and CG125 are pretty much reference bikes here. And they do the job brilliantly. They are cheap, they are ecconomical, (if you dont rag them) and they are easy to ride.
Uninspiring; boring, and not particularly 'quick'... BUT.....
They will cut through city congestion readily enough; and they DO accelerate pretty briskly; curtecy of 'mid-range' and soft useable power delivery two strokes just dont have; And do it retuirning 70+ mpg where sports stroker will be down sub 70.
Meanwhile, narrow bars, closer to the ground, NOT NICE, I will admit, they ARE by-pass capable. And more stable and comfy than a Motoard perched a foot in the air on long travel suspension, with wide flappy bars hanging you oput like a parachute!
I did Manchester-Plymouth and points in between on my 125 at Uni, and points in between; and for two terms I was commuting 120 miles a time, having fallen ill, and moved 'home' and doing uni 'part time', two days a week.
Lets run a scanario here: instead of sporty super-Motard; what IF you boiught a YBR125 for probably £500 LESS to buy, and likely £200 less to insure....
There is £700 in your pocket or more precicely not on your Nat-West Student snatcher credit card, straight away.
Use it to sor the stuff others strrugglke with; some useful 'security' Disc-Lock, alarm, security chain you can CARRY and lok bike up with at Uni as well as wherever you park it outside digs.
Helmet; gloves, water-proofs.... then whatever dedicated riding kit you fancy or feel you 'need' to go with it.
You book some lessons on it, get your theory/hazard sorted, plan mods 1 & 2 tests on it, over the next six months..... thats two terms..... two of the long haul by-pass blasts..... you then have your licence in your pocket..... and only ONE more term at college, so one more long haul to suffer till you are back home for the summer.... and needs change...
You could as soon as you have licence, chop in 125 for a big bike, and enjoy the summer on it....
BUT, I would say see how student finances go between now and then.... for the moment; plan only as far as tests.
Post test urge to get big bike will be strong; but if funds tight; could hasten you to buy a dog you cant afford.... did my eldest every time a grant cheque was imminent!
And I'd urge the idea of riding out the year on the Learner/Cummuter; letting it finish earning its keep keeping running costs reletively low; until that kicker of an insurance policy is due. THAT is the one you cant avoid paying loadings on; so make it work fdor you. often punativbe early termination or transfer fees so dont expect anything back from it if you change bike.....
Year up, you get first years No-Claims Discount to ADD to the 'Full-Licence' to knock back renewal on NEXT bike, your 500 or whatever you want to go for, and some of the 33bhp restriction lapsed, as well...
And it was the Summers used to be the 'tell' on the finances. I was at Uni four years; if I got a placement or casual work over the summer; come September finances could be GREAT looking into the next year; if not, could be absolutely dire and overdraft actually increased since June, and Student Loan going out straight away to get myself back in the black!
So, not only for No Claims Discount, I'd be inclined to let it run; till next September / October, when I knew what finances were going to be like and could better plan for the year; and IF I had a good summer, and put money IN the bank.... well, lower prices on summer bikes... to snaffle an end of season bargain to ride through..... AND the money to get it with.
BUT, main thing is for the MOMENT; licence is the key, and a bike to help you get that whats important....
And starting point will be doing those insurance comparisons. THAT will be the stinger.
You haven't mentioned budget; but typcially you are looking at £800+ to find anything learner legal worth having, and more like £1200-£1500 for something reliable enough to do job you suggest.
Looking two stroke; Super-Motard, as your first idea, you are likely to be looking top end of that and pushing nearer £2K to find a 'decent' bike, and find THAT you could easily be looking £800+ insurance quotes.....
Might all put the kybosh on aspirations and plans..... but dont know; BUT research, and do the sums! And try and rein ion the aspirations for having it ALL here and now, and think a little long term. 125 isn't a be all and end all 'forever' bike.
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