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PostPosted: 13:11 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: SYM Bonus getting swiftly ruined by Viet mechanics... Help! Reply with quote

Well, my misery levels are getting pretty high at the moment.

My bike was cushty as fuck before I left, ran beautifully the whole way. By the end (thrashing it along the one good bit of road I found the whole trip) the cam chain rattle had got much worse, so I asked around for a GOOD mechanic, and everyone mentioned the same guy(s).

Good seems to mean 'speak English and overcharge you'. Anyway, I got there and the cam chain jumped off when I started it again to show them the noise.

We sorted that out eventually, and put in a better CCT. But they cracked the casing when they put it back on (fucking morons, criss-cross is rule fucking one).

Next day, bike just cuts out. Dead. No spark. I roll it to a near mechanic, and he eventually gets it going. But the bike now feels like it's not getting enough fuel, and lurches along. I think spark problem, so take it to the original guy and point out it was FINE before they fucked about with it.

Eventually leave it there over night, and come back to find a valve was alledgedly bent. Didn't look bad to me, but I put up with it, and took it home (I'm staying in a hostel JUST to sell it, in possibly the worst city I've ever stayed in... Hanoi).

But fuck it, it's fixed now right?!?! Nope, even worse and no power, and over heating like a fuck. Playing with the carb settings is achieving nothing, but the thing idles very well now. Just the moment the engine comes under load, it lurches along and the power is coming off and on.

I'm taking it back tomorrow, and I don't care what flux capacitor they put on it, I'm paying nothing. And I'm stealing their tools.

What could this be?

Killed alternator?
Incorrect timing?
Clogged air filter?
Dead battery?
Dead spark plug?
Clogged fuel filter?

The thing was PERFECT before I gave it to them. He's adamant he couldn't possibly have done anything to it. The bike is only selling for $300-350, and I've spent $30 at this garage already for them to fuck it up totally.

TL;DR ... 4t 125cc had its cam chain jump off when stationary. Put back on, but by incompetents. Next day spark disappeared, eventually fixed somehow, no doubt by dodgy wiring, as parts were fine. Bike power jerking on and off. Problem 'fixed' by replacing a bent valve (apparently), since then bike has no power, is sluggish, and the drive disappears at random.
What else should I be checking?
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what you say:

'had its cam chain jump off'

If the valve timing was not set correctly when it was put back on, you could very well of bent a valve, I suppose you could also of damaged the plug as well ( if the valves are opening and closing at the wrong time burning fuel and gasses won't flow right)
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MickC wrote:
From what you say:

'had its cam chain jump off'

If the valve timing was not set correctly when it was put back on, you could very well of bent a valve, I suppose you could also of damaged the plug as well ( if the valves are opening and closing at the wrong time burning fuel and gasses won't flow right)


This is my thought, that they hadn't the timing right and caused the bent valve. But the plug seems ok, although I think they set the gap too small.

I may end up lamping one of them tomorrow if they try to charge me.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

unitycrippledatmo wrote:
one notch out on the chain usually results in a bent valve,done it to my own cb125s years ago.


They put it on possibly correctly, then played with the tappets afterwards to set it 'right'. I have zero faith right now.

Just wondering of any other obvious simple things they might not know about, as the agent orange has lowered the average IQ of Vietnamese to that of a root vegetable.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankee come off, tankee go back on. Fuel pipee get squidged?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blink twice if you need us to summon the British Consul to get you out of that moist hellhole.

Seriously, all you seem to do is moan about it. I can't understand why you're still there, earning rice money and shafting your chances of building a career anywhere else. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What prompted the tour in the first place?
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timing (cam) is set wrong. Most likely because they have put the chain on with too much slack on the side opposite the tensioner, and not run the engine through 360 degrees afterwards to check the timing.

To check it you need to remove the inspection plugs on the crankcase and rotate the crank until you see the T mark in the upper window. You also need to remove the cam cover and make sure that the lines on the cam sprocket line up with the top of the cylinder head. This assumes the engine being a Honda clone, but should apply for just about anything.

The spark may have been crap in the first place. I've had a few kick start bikes where the spark looked very weak kicking it over on the starter, I assume it got stronger then the engine was running and giving it some more power.
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Timing (cam) is set wrong. Most likely because they have put the chain on with too much slack on the side opposite the tensioner, and not run the engine through 360 degrees afterwards to check the timing.

To check it you need to remove the inspection plugs on the crankcase and rotate the crank until you see the T mark in the upper window. You also need to remove the cam cover and make sure that the lines on the cam sprocket line up with the top of the cylinder head. This assumes the engine being a Honda clone, but should apply for just about anything.


Cheers mate, I will do. I'm just going there and using all their tools, and refusing to give them any money. Essentially. Will see how it goes.

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The spark may have been crap in the first place. I've had a few kick start bikes where the spark looked very weak kicking it over on the starter, I assume it got stronger then the engine was running and giving it some more power.


It's possible, but there was literally NO spark. Kicking or starter.

Roger. Vietnam is a hell hole of some outstanding note. Unfortunately money constraints kind of kept me stuck working here long. I've had 5 months here, and each month has been completely different. And all sucked. As for why do the journey? Well, why not? Yeh, this is annoying the shit out of me at the moment, but not many can say they saw Vietnam properly. When I slate the alsation people, I do so having known them VERY well. But, the scenery was lovely, and there was a good sense of achievement.

Back to Thailand for a little bit (a few months), just to put back some money again before I go to Australia. Dad offered to pay my flights home in March, so I'm abusing that to get to Oz for free Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, despite their insistence it was fine, I went round and just started stealing all their tools to inspect it.

The line was well not straight. Cocks.

Doing that, on my own, in the rain, competently stopped them being dicks at least.

Then it eventually started, but still wasn't running all that well. The owner was adamantly telling my the valve was probably bent again, and I should strip it all down Neutral

Luckily one of the shop imps turned out to be a decent mechanic, and had half decent English. The rocket for the exhaust valve turned out to be worn, so I had to replace that. They were trying to get me to send the cams off to get machined, but I managed to get them to just give me the rocker. It'll be good for a week apparently Neutral

Still stuttering when flat out in top gear, but that's probably carb settings. Was popping gleeful wheelies the whole way home.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could the flywheel have eaten its Woodroffe key and spun-up when they dinged it against the valve the first time (then probably jumped on the starter a bit just to make sure it was definatley not turning over). If the flywheel has moved, your valve and ignition timing marks mean exactly fuck-all.

EDIT: Should've got a C90.
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PostPosted: 04:16 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps. But I aint going down there. It's good enough to sell now. No cunt wants to give me even half of what it's worth.

However, it's running very well now. Still stuttering when flat out, but that's probably the carb settings.
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