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WULFSTAN
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: heat or new gloves? Reply with quote

so am getting ready for a other winter got my old pair of winter gloves out an well there fucked so should i buy some new ones or would heated grips and my summer gloves be alright for winter?how good are heated grips? ive never used them would they work better than cheap winter gloves? cheers
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUMP

I also wondered about heated grips, I have some nice gloves, but it's going to be a long cold winter..
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
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I also wondered about heated grips, I have some nice gloves, but it's going to be a long cold winter..


i think this winter is going to be worse than last an we all know how cold that got Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A decent set of muffs are more effective than heated grips, in my opinion.

Of course, the ultimate solution is both. Mmmmm toasty.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Literally just got a set of heated grips given to me and ordered some muffs the other day... won on ebay for £13 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
A decent set of muffs are more effective than heated grips, in my opinion.

Of course, the ultimate solution is both. Mmmmm toasty.


That's probably a good idea. Are Oxford the standard for heated grips?
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for good muffs first (tucano urbano), then consider symtec heated grips if that's not enough.

The symtek kit sits under your normal heated grips and doesn't make them noticeably bigger.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
Are Oxford the standard for heated grips?


If you want to pay Oxford prices!! The ones I had on my sv were a fraction of the price and worked just as well. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just today fitted some roxter heated grips to my xt
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170702913351?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Look like they are more than likely made by oxford. high/low setting and easy fit, even for the most unmechanically minded monkey

Already got the pans set up with grips and set of muffs arrived couple of days ago.
Might have to invest in a heated jacket this year
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both + muffs for me. 5-6 degs in the rain at motorway speeds is bloody cold.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 07 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Heated-Grip-Pads-Handlebars-Black-12V-/160523747551?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item255ff600df#ht_2028wt_952

Cheap and cheerful and work just fine. I have had mine since last winter and I use them whenever I ride in the cold or at night.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxford ones may be good, but the handlebar box on mine was not waterproof, so I cant change it from lowest heat. finding the same type of tactile switches is a pain.

6 x 4.5 square, but switched across the long, not short Sad


might get one of those cheapys for old bike. Not quite sure how to get the throttle grip off tho.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember to order a new reg/rec as well, heated things are a killer!
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suffer badly with my hands in the cold, but from what I read last year, heated grips give you sweaty palms and don't really stop the cold on the top side of your hand.

I'd probably opt for heated gloves even though you gotta plug them in, only takes a second surely?
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
I suffer badly with my hands in the cold, but from what I read last year, heated grips give you sweaty palms and don't really stop the cold on the top side of your hand.

That's why you combine them with decent muffs (actually even not so good muffs will work in combination.)
To start with your hands are now enclosed in a bubble of stagnant air - as opposed to 100mph freezing wind taking any heat away from the outside. It also keeps your hands dry, which makes a big difference in my experience.
Never really suffered from sweaty palms - presume that's more of an issue when you have to wack it right up to get the outside warm (but haven't found this even when using them without muffs).
Heated gloves can have the opposite problem - where the outside gets too hot, but the inside not hot enough.

The symtec heated grips at least don't use a massive amount of power I think.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 08 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
I suffer badly with my hands in the cold, but from what I read last year, heated grips give you sweaty palms and don't really stop the cold on the top side of your hand.

I'd probably opt for heated gloves even though you gotta plug them in, only takes a second surely?


I bought these.

https://www.exo2.co.uk/exo2.html#Storm

They are awesome, toasty fingers (top and bottom) and I can ride either bike if I want without having to fuck with the nice grips I have already. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of the problem with cold hands, is not keeping your core body temperature up. If your body is cold, blood will be diverted from extremities to keep the body warm. Wear a lot more layers on your body in winter, and miraculously your hands will stay warm.

You want to aim for breaking into a sweat with all your layers on, before you start the ride. You'll soon cool down to comfort levels when riding.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the KTM around europe it almost felt like the warmers were warming up my arms as the blood circulated - though no idea if this really was happening or not.

I'd agree that keeping the whole body warm is definitely important, but I think warm and dry hands make a massive difference for concentration and control of the bike (and decent muffs will also keep your hands bone dry, which is nice.)
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 09 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another good reason for keeping core body temp up, is it means you can ride with the visor open, which helps with visibilty in shit weather at low speeds.
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PostPosted: 05:52 - 10 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my heated grips (Oxford ones, plus handguards - not as warm as full muffs, but enough).

I would say that if you run them warmer than your hands really need, they do help warm your core.

I'm not sure if the temperature is current or pulse-width modulated, but when I really need them, I'll run them on 100% to try and warm them up faster (remember they also heat the handlebar's metal tube so it can take a while) until it gets a bit too hot, them turn them down.

But good gloves are a must, too. I've got Buffalo lobster-style ones for proper cold.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 10 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:
Remember to order a new reg/rec as well, heated things are a killer!


Please explain your reasoning on this?
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 10 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcycle elctrical systems are marginal at best. Winter riding means lights on, usually lower revs, batteries cold and not working at best efficiency, damp/wet conditions. Now add on the load of gloves and sometimes a heated jacket and the electrical system is being sorely stressed.
Some models have a high output alternator, usually those with a field coil type alternator, BMW's, The big tourer Yams and Hondas. Most everything else has the inneficient permanent magnet type alternator, these are the ones that cause the problems.

Most of the bikes I get in with charging problems have a failed R/R or burnt alternator connections and they are mostly summer toys, winter riders would be advised to keep a close watch on their charging systems.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 10 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
I've just today fitted some roxter heated grips to my xt
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170702913351?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Look like they are more than likely made by oxford. high/low setting and easy fit, even for the most unmechanically minded monkey

Already got the pans set up with grips and set of muffs arrived couple of days ago.
Might have to invest in a heated jacket this year


What muffs have you got on the Pans?

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PostPosted: 19:17 - 10 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:
Motorcycle elctrical systems are marginal at best. Winter riding means lights on, usually lower revs, batteries cold and not working at best efficiency, damp/wet conditions. Now add on the load of gloves and sometimes a heated jacket and the electrical system is being sorely stressed.
Some models have a high output alternator, usually those with a field coil type alternator, BMW's, The big tourer Yams and Hondas. Most everything else has the inneficient permanent magnet type alternator, these are the ones that cause the problems.

Most of the bikes I get in with charging problems have a failed R/R or burnt alternator connections and they are mostly summer toys, winter riders would be advised to keep a close watch on their charging systems.


So why would adding heated grips kill a reg/rec?
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