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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 11 Oct 2011    Post subject: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
On of the biggest traveller horse fairs and I visited it a couple of weeks back. My ex (Fkn Hippy) said it was on and did I fancy going, she had never seen "Big fat gypsy wedding" and expected wise country folk curing cancer with berries and nuts and things scavenged from hedgerows. She was not expecting orange girls in almost no clothes being sexually assaulted by ginger boys with broken teeth and cock fighting.
There was no Police or RSPCA presence, if the cops were there they may have had something to say about the knuckle duster and catapult stall. I did not dare take many pictures but it was an interesting day out.
The Travelling Community are interesting though, they seem to be the one minority that it is OK to discriminate against and abuse on grounds of race and lifestyle. Why is this?
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 11 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
[Flippant but true]
Did they leave a mess?

I have little beef about any of the types of travellers we now have. Be they the alternative or traditional type. The Trads work hard and like you hinted they can be abit of rufty-tufty whether it be to animals or each other. The crusty communities tend to have more than their share of substance abusers. (Can only go off what i have seen)

Met some really nice gippos who helped us with our van. Also *regularly see piles off tree waste and building rubbish on our Sunday League football fields.

*twice a year.

Can't tar them all with the same brush. However... Smile If i owned some land and they moved on without permission.... Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 11 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mainly Irish, no Crusties. I am not sure about mess but they use the site every year and want to retain it so I guess not.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have protected travellers and had to move them on in the past. The easiest way to describe them is as a concentrated community. just like a bottle of Ribeana. Because it is so intense you get full on hate and full on pleasant. Full on crime and full on ............ no you don't get full on honesty. Shame really, but that is a side issue.
They don't help themselves by being a closed community, a bit like the Masons 50 years ago. Now the Masons are open about most things, the Gypsies need to do the same.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:
they seem to be the one minority that it is OK to discriminate against and abuse on grounds of race and lifestyle. Why is this?


Uh, because as you noted, they're outlaws.

Don't worry, they still get whatever rights that they demand, just none of the responsibilities to go with them.

And they're all on the fiddle. Yes, even the proud noble Gyppos.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:
they seem to be the one minority that it is OK to discriminate against and abuse on grounds of race and lifestyle. Why is this?


Uh, because as you noted, they're outlaws.

Don't worry, they still get whatever rights that they demand, just none of the responsibilities to go with them.

And they're all on the fiddle. Yes, even the proud noble Gyppos.


The article makes clear that they were Romanians not Gypsies
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
sebastianw wrote:
The article makes clear that they were Romanians not Gypsies


Romanians, Gypsies, they're all still vampires, right? I vaaant to suuuck your benefits.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:
The Travelling Community are interesting though, they seem to be the one minority that it is OK to discriminate against and abuse on grounds of race and lifestyle.

Absolutely not.
It's also ok to discriminate against pedophiles, rapists and bankers.
All to do with the way their lifestyle is viewed.

My experiences suggest the vast majority of the 'Travelling Community' that get discriminated against fully deserve it. There are plenty of people that 'travel' who do just fine without harassment because they don't cause trouble. (For instance the person in a campervan who I'd see parked up in a few places around where I used to live/work - never saw any piles of rubbish or piles of stolen TVs, he didn't seem to be trying to disrupt or extort from people.)
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:

They don't help themselves by being a closed community,


They dont help themselves by being a closed community when it suits them. They flount the laws of the country when they feel like it, they dont pay taxes, they will steal anything that isnt nailed down and even if it is they'll have a try and they are more than happy to claim our benefits and healthcare and then claim the victim card when someone puts them in their place or tries to move them on.

They are parasites and should be treated as such.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
G wrote:

It's also ok to discriminate against pedophiles, rapists.
All to do with the way their lifestyle is viewed.


There is no identifiable community of the above named people, they live in diverse communities and just share a common malfunction that causes them to be cast out from normal society if discovered ( I know I have deleted the Bankers from your quote G but you were being silly Wink ).
Travelling people do have a community with their own traditions and very closely defined lifestyle and sense of morality.
My point is when you use the word Pikey in public and no one blinks an eyelid think what the reaction would be if you used Paki.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:

My point is when you use the word Pikey in public and no one blinks an eyelid think what the reaction would be if you used Paki.


Paki is an ethnic slur, Pikey is a social slur. Two different things; one being based on race, one being based on lifestyle choice.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Kenelworth Horse Fair Reply with quote
First off; I think we should clarify what you mean by discrimination.
I presume we're talking about the word purely.
Because for the rest they seem to get a lot of positive discrimination. For instance being able to steal things, leave them on display and not have the police take them back.

Ariel Badger wrote:

There is no identifiable community of the above named people, they live in diverse communities and just share a common malfunction that causes them to be cast out from normal society if discovered ( I know I have deleted the Bankers from your quote G but you were being silly Wink ).


I don't think bankers is 'silly'. I think they are unfairly vilified.
I was going to go on about my usual "well, you all lapped up their services in the good times", but then some of the pikey scams only happen because 'people use them' - though generally there's a lot more real dishonesty involved from what I've seen.


I believe the police busted a big community of pedos recently*. Sure most were online, but does that make them less of a community? Seem more so than most pikeys from the news reports.
As for 'sharing a malfunction that causes them to be cast out from normal society' - well isn't that the same as pikeys? That they aren't liked in normal society because they go around robbing, vandalising, littering, slaving and generally being nasty.

As far as the word 'pikey' goes, that has always described the sort that do all these sorts of things. Like 'pedo' or 'banker' is used negatively without people batting an eye lid. It's a descriptive term.
See plenty of people using the word 'paki' around here in a negative context and no one really bats an eye lid either. Though to my mind that's less acceptable as the circumstances are rather different.

Generally, as I've said, those that are travelling the country and not being dodgy don't get labeled as 'pikey', so it's not really an unfair use of the word.


(*edit boylover . net link goes to story - I remember it because it amused me that they made it out like it was a massive achievment of an investigation - when I'd though a website with that name would make it rather easy to catch them!)
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I do not have a hardened opinion but I think one of the mistakes we make is lumping many groups of people into one "community of Travellers" that does not exist. One does not lump Asians into one group, Bengali, Chinese and Uzbek communities are not remotely similar and nor are our travelling folk. Roma, Crusty and the Irish have very little common ground, those who are referred to as "Gypsy" are mostly not in fact Gypsy. The Roma people actually came out of India and have nothing in common with the dominant Irish groups apart from the supposed nomadic lifestyle and a few phases ( the term Gurra is used for us white house dwellers in Urdu and by Irish Travellers) I doubt they share much more than any of us genetically. The dominant group in the UK are the Irish and I wonder how long this "Tradition" has been going on, I doubt it is much before the 1939-45 war.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 12 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:
I do not have a hardened opinion but I think one of the mistakes we make is lumping many groups of people into one "community of Travellers" that does not exist.

Isn't that what you were doing though Confused.

The rest of us were just calling a pikey a pikey (which is much better than the irksome 'spade' one - edit, seems it is actually to do with the tool; always presumed it was the American slang version Smile ).

On talk of the war; of course Hitler liked neither travellers nor Jews (stereotypical bankers); quite possibly for similar reasons to today, though of course not what was presented.

Quick research suggests there definitely was 'issues' with traveling types going some way back; but it's not clear how much.
My general impression is that actually the real cost to the country of the trouble they cause now is vastly under-reported.
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