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Fifteen15
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Blipping the throttle when downshifting Reply with quote

I've just watched Keith Code Twist of the Wrist which I would recommend if you haven't already seen it. He talked about blipping the throttle when downshifting so as to not upset the bikes suspension and keep most of the weight on the back wheel. How relevant is this when road riding? I've heard it's good to make it a habit in case you get into a bit of a hairy situation. Also I have an SV650 which has a LOT of engine breaking, would this mean there's more reason for me to have to learn to blip the throttle when downshifting?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Blipping the throttle when downshifting Reply with quote

ImNoSuperman wrote:
I've just watched Keith Code Twist of the Wrist which I would recommend if you haven't already seen it. He talked about blipping the throttle when downshifting so as to not upset the bikes suspension and keep most of the weight on the back wheel. How relevant is this when road riding? I've heard it's good to make it a habit in case you get into a bit of a hairy situation. Also I have an SV650 which has a LOT of engine breaking, would this mean there's more reason for me to have to learn to blip the throttle when downshifting?


Yes.

Not blipping it means your drivetrain tries to pull the engine up to speed. Puts a lot of strain on the engine, clutch and drivetrain. It would be reasonable to suggest that the more engine braking you have the more pronounced the effect would be. If engine braking is very good you could lock the rear wheel on a downshift.

To top it off it sounds cool and makes your riding smoother.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Without doing this or abusing the clutch I don't think I could ride in a way that would be vaguely smooth.

Do it in the car as well.

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

De-rigueur on my single and twin...Especially the big pistoned twin.
Given myself a few lurches when changing from the twin to the single (too much blip)
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Blipping the throttle when downshifting Reply with quote

ImNoSuperman wrote:
Also I have an SV650 which has a LOT of engine breaking

Afraid it doesn't.
I'd say when racing I had a lot more need to blip the R6 than the SV650 - though I did tend to run the SV at 3.3krpm idle.

However, it is still good practice to get in to.
You can provoke rear end slides on an SV, but not as easily on more powerful bikes generally.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely, it transforms riding. Without it it's almost impossible to downshift smoothly (whilst being anywhere near as quick).

It's also practical, on race bikes without slipper clutches it's used to stop the rear wheel locking up when downshifting hard into a corner.

On a bike it is more a 'blip' to bring the revs up properly.

In a car 'the system of car control' calls it a sustained throttle gear change. It's basically the same thing, except instead of a blip you keep the throttle on slightly as you change down, as the clutch goes in, the revs rise (fairly slowly) and you slot in the lower gear smoothly.

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PostPosted: 17:02 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:

In a car 'the system of car control' calls it a sustained throttle gear change. It's basically the same thing, except instead of a blip you keep the throttle on slightly as you change down, as the clutch goes in, the revs rise (fairly slowly) and you slot in the lower gear smoothly.

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PostPosted: 17:34 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used to do this in the car but when i started riding i didnt do it. I think i was more involve with learning to ride in general than these extra benefits. i started doing it and it does make it smoother.

after i started riding i got used to slipping the clutch for better control. i started doing this in the car as well. it was quite handy but i did end up destroying the clutch and the flywheel. luckily it was a work car.

(it was quicker than downshifting and made good use of the torque) plus i didnt have to mess around changing up and down gears

some things can and cant be used between different forms of riding Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive always done it on the bike and in the cars. Only time I dont do it is on the 750, slipper clutch ftw Thumbs Up
It suddenly becomes very neccesary when running a decent pace on track.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learnt to drive on elderly tractors which you *had* to do it or suffer horrendous gear grinding then come to a halt - no synchromesh, as was normal even in cars until the 60s.
So I still always do it - with all vehicles - as not to do so shows a lack of mechanical sympathy, even if you can get away with it.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

steven_191 wrote:
after i started riding i got used to slipping the clutch for better control. i started doing this in the car as well. it was quite handy but i did end up destroying the clutch and the flywheel. luckily it was a work car.

(it was quicker than downshifting and made good use of the torque) plus i didnt have to mess around changing up and down gears


I have to do this on my 50 when Im above 25mph but below 29 ish. Because if I downshift, high revs in 2nd is about 23 so it scream back down to that and power comes in about 29ish so I just slip the clutch up to that.

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Forgot to say, I blip.
Same with pulling away in 1st on any gradient, get to the top of the revs in first then change and slip the clutch until decent speed.

Yes I know 25mph is like 5k revs in first on all of your bikes Wink

I do feel bad for it though but its going in a couple of weeks and clutch plates are only a tenner, and a gasket.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like a good blip... Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Learnt to drive on elderly tractors which you *had* to do it or suffer horrendous gear grinding then come to a halt - no synchromesh, as was normal even in cars until the 60s.
So I still always do it - with all vehicles - as not to do so shows a lack of mechanical sympathy, even if you can get away with it.


Me too. You have to have the engine turning at the correct speed for the gear you want in order to achieve "harmony".

You don't have to do it, but if you appreciate engines, you will do it.

By the way, heard that it could be a Minor on your test though.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:

By the way, heard that it could be a Minor on your test though.


It does use a tiny bit more fuel.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:18 - 17 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it everytime unless i'm really lazy, can't imagine not doing it, it's horrible letting the clutch out slowly and feels like i'm destroying the drive train
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it pretty much every time, makes it smoother and it sounds boss, what more do you need?
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PostPosted: 02:36 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

drive train Question thought that was american speak Confused
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PostPosted: 02:42 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it all the time...sort of automatic now.

Used the same technique in my '59 Landy too. Although that's slightly more complicated; called Double-declutching for the young whippersnappers on here Wink

If I got it right, I could go up and down the 'box without using the clutch at all, just knock it out of gear on the overrun, then get the revs right, and Bob's your auntie...
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it all the time. What you are doing, is matching engine revs to what they need to be for the gear you are changing to, for the speed you are going, before you release the clutch.

I do it without thinking, and if I'm with someone else in a car who doesnt do it, it feels jarring, and I want to tell them how to do it right, but resist as they won't appreciate the advice.

Another technique is clutchless upshifting, which is quite good when accelerating hard.

I rarely do that one and wouldnt be the best person to explain that one.

Although a few weeks ago when my clutch cable was on the way out on a ride back from Anglesey, I shifted without clutch up and down, which isnt ideal, but wouldnt have been possible if I werent able to quickly change revs without thinking the way you do when you blip the throttle.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always do it, sounds good on my 2T bike as well Razz . I have a BMW M5 and the SMG box does this on each downshift and when dropping gears when being used properly it sounds bloody mental but you also really feel it working in favour of the car.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

absolute must on the 2t for me. And anything I own that isnt an inline 4 tbh.

I have started doing it in the wife's punto as well which annoys her, but not nearly as much as finding a parking space in Tesco's and instigating a scandanavian flick.

She f**king hates that.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if I'm pressing on in the car, or on the bike.
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always blip when coming down the gears, always have done.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

out of curiosity, what do people do when they have to make a hurried down shift from say the top of the box to 1st or 2nd .... multiple quick blips for each down shift, or a long continuous one ?
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