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carvell
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Does anyone have any idea what size inner tube would fit a wheel with a "150/70 ZR 17" tyre on it? I have no idea what these silly numbers and letters mean.

Also, does anybody know of a place online that sells them, as my local motorbike place doesn't and I don't really want to travel the country with a nail in my tyre to get one.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try some of the tyre fitting places down your way, they should be able to repair it, but if they can't, then they'll probably have tubes to fit, or at least can get a hold of one pretty sharpish
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

you will struggle to get a tyre place to put tube in nowdays, especially on a Z rated tyre. If the hole is in the tread you should be able to get it patched, if its in the sidewall its new tyre time I`m afraid Sad . The rules about what (and where) tyres can be patched are online somewhere but I cant be arsed to look.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tyre can't be plugged as it has been done before.

I do not have the money for a new rear tyre, hence me wanting the size of inner tube I will need, as I will buy one and fit it myself, I refuse to pay someone to do something as simple as fit an inner tube. Razz

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PostPosted: 14:58 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told tube's in Z rated tyre's was illegal and prone to going pop at high speed.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHat does the whole Z rated tyre malarky mean?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
as I will buy one and fit it myself, I refuse to pay someone to do something as simple as fit an inner tube. Razz


You do know it aint as easy as a cycle tyre dont you?
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - I've done it before.

Having a single sided swinging arm on the rear means I can do it without even taking the wheel off too.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Z rated tyres mean that you can go up to and over 150mph on them. The numbers represent the maximum recommended speed on the tyres so it's pointless to put Z rated tyres on a scoot for instance as it wouldn't warm up in time and will just have very poor properties for that vehicle.

Bike usually has a tyre article so:

max speed (mph)

J=62
K = 68
L = 75
M = 81
N = 87
P = 93
Q = 99
R = 106
S = 112
T = 118
U = 125
H = 130
V= 149
Z= >150

So basically, the Z on the tyre is the max speed rating if that helps Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

the letter is the speed rating of the tyre, Z IIRC is over 120 mph, tubes are not allowed because they overheat in tubeless tyres and can fail catastrophically. I`m impressed if you can change a 150 section tyre with the wheel still on the bike, how do you break the bead (without fucking the rim)?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two very very long and fairly wide tyre levers, a couple of people who don't mind their fingers getting traped between the tyre and the rim, and bob's your uncle. Wink

Hasn't damaged the rim yet, least not any visible damage.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would advise against doing this. The reason being that a tubeless tyre has ribs inside it which can shred an inner tube.
It'd be better to find a dodgey tyre repair place & get a 2nd plug repair carried out if you're too skint to buy a new one.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the hole is in a different place to where the current plug is, then a second plug will be fine. I currently have three seperate plugs in the back of the Blackbird (until the new Avon's are fitted on saturday) and so far I have done about 8,000 miles on the three plugs without any problem.

If you fit a tube to a tubeless tyre, then the chances of the tube overheating and letting go big time are enormous. You don't usually get instant deflation with a tubeless tyre, but believe me it will be more than your tyre that will deflate if the tube lets go.

As far as the markings are concerned, and to give you an example, 180/50/ZR/17

180 is the width of the tyre in millimeters.
50 is the height of the tyre wall in millimeters
Z is the speed rating in this case it is safe to exceed 150
R means that it is a radial fitment
17 is the size of the wheel but is in inches for some reason.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ha.

Thank's for all the input guys, especially T.C.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stapletons Tyres in St Albans may be able to help.

STS Tyre & Exhaust
115-117 London Road
St. Albans
Herts.
AL11LR

01727 866028

Manager - Andy Page

The address is a bit misleading. It is on the corner of Alma Road and London Road and the entrance is on Alma Road.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
so far I have done about 8,000 miles on the three plugs without any problem.

T.C, what tyres are you using that'll do 8000 miles on (I assume) a back tyre and still be legal?
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

PsychoHippy wrote:
T.C wrote:
so far I have done about 8,000 miles on the three plugs without any problem.

T.C, what tyres are you using that'll do 8000 miles on (I assume) a back tyre and still be legal?


Bloody horrible Dunplops Evil or Very Mad

Can't complain too much seeing as I get my tyres free!
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Bloody horrible Dunplops Evil or Very Mad

Ah, enough said! Confused
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:

Can't complain too much seeing as I get my tyres free!


I am sure this is a silly question...but....

If you get your tyres for free why keep getting them patched why not get them replaced??
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jinx wrote:
T.C wrote:

Can't complain too much seeing as I get my tyres free!


I am sure this is a silly question...but....

If you get your tyres for free why keep getting them patched why not get them replaced??


Because it is often the case that I need the bike now and can't afford to hang around for two or three days waiting for the replacements to arrive.

In any case, the tyres I get are often dependant on who is wanting a road test done, so it will vary from Avon (the next set to go on) to Michelin, Dunlop or whoever!
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
If you fit a tube to a tubeless tyre, then the chances of the tube overheating and letting go big time are enormous.


Not that I want to encourage anyone to fit a tube to a tubeless tyre, but there are heavy duty tubes made to be used with tyres that are designed to tubeless.

T.C wrote:
180 is the width of the tyre in millimeters.
50 is the height of the tyre wall in millimeters


The 50 is the height specified as a percentage of the width, so that tyre would have a height of 50% of 180mm.

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PostPosted: 10:41 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


The 50 is the height specified as a percentage of the width, so that tyre would have a height of 50% of 180mm.


I was trying to keep it simple Rolling Eyes
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