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cozmoss11
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PostPosted: 03:13 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: is my new scooter restricted ? Reply with quote

I collected my 11 reg new 50cc lexmoto yesterday from the dealer and, I have to say, It is very slow In comparison to the the logngjia I recently sold. Top speed is around 36-37 mph ! is it easy to de-restrict it ?

Dont get me wrong it is a great bike and as a fare weather rider, its perfect for me.
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PostPosted: 06:50 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Lexmoto it has 2.9bhp and it's top speed is 45kph https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/SB50QT-16%28B08%29.php So, if you're getting 36-37, then you're exceeding the specs.
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PostPosted: 06:58 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: De-restrict Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
According to Lexmoto it has 2.9bhp and it's top speed is 45kph https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/SB50QT-16%28B08%29.php So, if you're getting 36-37, then you're exceeding the specs.


Point taken but, it can be de-restricted cant it?
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a four stroke moped, so there's basically sweet FA you can do to make it go faster.
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said repeatedly, you've just chopped in one random budget Chinese moped for another. It may get better as the engine loosens up, it may not, but either way anything that you do to it will be pouring money down a hole while giving the dealer that you bought it from a perfect excuse to weasel out of any warranty support, and risking a conviction for riding outwith the terms of your license - which you already are if it can do a genuine 36mph on the flat (and I doubt that to begin with).

Please, I know it's hard, but try to just tough it out until you turn 17 then get rid of the 50cc trinket and focus all your energies on passing your A2 test before the January 19th 2013 cut-off date.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're under 17 and you de-restrict it...

1) You're riding without a licence.

2) Your insurance is invalid.

3) You commit an offence if you fail to notify the DVLA that you've changed the bike from a moped to a motorcycle.

If you have an accident and hurt someone you could be sued since your non-insurance wouldn't pay up.

Got this from the Citizens Advice Bureau

As a child or young person you can be sued for negligence through your parent. Negligence is defined as failure to act with reasonable care thus causing damage to other people or property. An injured party has the right to sue for compensation. An example of negligence is riding a bicycle in a manner which results in personal injury or damage to property.

When taking court action against a child or young person for negligence, the person taking action (the claimant) should name the child or young person as the defendant and a parent or guardian who can act as the litigation friend (next friend in Northern Ireland).

The age of the child or young person will be taken into account when deciding whether behaviour is negligent. There is no point in someone suing a young person who does not have money unless, for example, the young person is insured. However, someone who successfully sues a child or young person aged under 16 may wait until the child is working before enforcing the judgment. Judgments must be enforced within six years.

A parent can be held liable for their child’s negligence if the parent failed to take reasonable care to see that the child did not cause harm to others.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
If you have an accident and hurt someone you could be sued since your non-insurance wouldn't pay up.


Actually, insurers can't wiggle out of 3rd party liabilities due to licensing issues, so the 3rd party would be OK.

However, the insurer could then come after the OP to recover their payout.

It's all fairly unlikely, but as we've repeatedly noted, if you're going to choose to ride unlicensed and without cover, you might as well do it on a 125 or for that matter a 600 than on a de-restricted 50.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: De-restrict Reply with quote

cozmoss11 wrote:
Efes123 wrote:
According to Lexmoto it has 2.9bhp and it's top speed is 45kph https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/SB50QT-16%28B08%29.php So, if you're getting 36-37, then you're exceeding the specs.


Point taken but, it can be de-restricted cant it?


Yes, Rolling Eyes you need to swap the red power band for a black, or better still, green, racing one........ Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

The SPECIFICATION says it makes 2.9bhp, so it makes 2.9bhp.... END OF

DE- (removal of) RESTRICTION - (an artificial impediment.)

You cannot Remove an impediment if there as not one there in the first place.

SO, only things that can be 'De-Restricted' are things that were originally NOT restricted, than have subsequently been restricted....

In your case the scooter was designed to make 3bhp, it was never designed to make more than 3bhp, so never had to be restricted to get it beneath the 3.5bhp power limit for a moped, therefore it cannot be de-restricted to get power it never fucking had in the first place!

Idea that ALL mopeds are 'restricted' is quite true.... they are....

More utter miscomprehension of the use of language, though.

They are ALL 'restricted' by the classification requirements in law to be a MOPED as oposed to a 50cc motrorcycle....

The LEGAL restrictions on mopeds have varied over the years; in 1972 when the class was first enacted into law, a 'moped' merely had to be a two or three wheeled vehicle, with an engine displacing less than 50cc and capable of being propelled by pedals, as well as an engine. In 1977, after the evolution of the legislation beating 'Fizzy', a super-tuned 50cc motorcycle, with pedals attached..... they changed the law, restricting mopeds to engines under 50cc, a power output less than 3.5bhp, and a top speed not in excess of 35mph, but in recompense dropped the requirement for there to be means of manual propulsion via pedals, and the Vespa 50 became a moped, not a motorcycle.....

The laws have been metricised in recent years by European Treaty 'Harmonisation' .... and the power limit is now something in Kw aproximating to 3bhp, and maximum top speed is now 32mph.....

If a machine does NOT meet these legal PERFORMANCE restrictions, then it does not qualify to be a MOPED...

Hence ALL mopeds are 'Restricted'..... they are restricted to the performance criteria layed down for them in statutes of LAW.

How the manufacturers achieve this legal requirement is entirely up to them; BUT given that the legakl restriction is the same accross Europe easiest thing is to DESIGN thge machine specifically to comply with these criteria.

HOWEVER, if by some curiouse dint of reason; they choose to design a 'Super 50', and built a 50cc motorcycle, that does NOT comply with the requirements of a moped..... it might, by modifying the design to incorporate 'mechanical restriction' be made to comply with the moped regs.

If so, the vehicle sold, as conforming as a MOPED may be 'De-Restricted'....... modifying the vehicle from declared show room specification..... take note it IS a 'Modification', from the machine as supplied by the manufacturer..... by removing or changing whatever bits, the manufacturer used to impose artifical 'restriction' from its original DESIGN specification..... MODIFIED from the 'Declared' specification to another 'Design' specification does NOT mean that the MODIFIED 'De-Restricted' vehicle is STANDARD, nor that just because the log book still says its a moped, that it IS...

Modify a MOPED from the manufacturers declared specification, and you have a modified vehicle; modify it such as its performance parameters no longer comply with those for the registered vehicle classification, and it is no longer the vehicle 'as described' on the registration, and requires VOSA inspection and re-registration under the new vehicle classification (motorcycle) to legally be used on the road....

Construction & Use regulations for mopeds are significantly more relaxed than they are for motorcycles, and it is posible, that a De-Restricted MOPED would NOT meet the requirements to be registered as a motrorcycle....

Meanwhile, riding a de-restricted moped, WITHOUT re-registration, is very fucking illegal.

Invalidated registration, means its no different to taking a Hyabusa and slapping a mopeds number-plate on the back.....

And riding the thing, on moped entitlement, actually breaking as many laws, if not more......

AND soon as you go over 35mph..... reason you want to 'De-Restrict' it in the first place, pretty bludy OBVIOUSE you are riding a vehicle other than in accordance, and feds have cast iron 100% 'case' to chuck the book at you if they wish.

Becouse you cannot 'De-Restrict' the laws governing what is a moped and what is a motorcycle.....

However, all irrelevent; your MOPED, is not artificially 'Power Restricted'.... so you wont find more power by removing some magic washer, snipping a wire on a black-box, or grinding a bit of metal off the throttle stop or anything.

To make it 'faster' would require conventional 'performance tuning', taking bits apart, modifying them, swapping bits and generally spending a lot of money to find miniscule amounts of extra speed, and loosing inorfdinate amounts of reliability...... not that that has ever stopped any-one, but still.

Rant is; you do not understand what 'Restriction' means and presume, like so many all mopeds and learner legals MUST be mechanically restricted, and hence capable of being De-Restricted.... when in fact when people talk about 'Learner Legal Restrictions' its the restrictions imposed by LAW, as to what power or speed limits are imposed on a machine you might ride on any particular licence entitlement.....
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 26 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 ^^^ That's what I meant Very Happy
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